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Re:The Insect Apocalypse Is Here by justin66 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @10:16AM (#18542893)
> I think the American suburban yard may be equally responsible with agriculture for a lot of this in the US.

There are over 900 million acres of farmland in the United States, so I'm going to guess this assertion (the "equally") is wrong.

It seems to me you're otherwise right about how we put our yards together, though. You didn't even mention how much water we often use to move our yards away from the native flora.

Re:The Insect Apocalypse Is Here by gmoes on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @10:28AM (#18542990)
Good point, compared to 40 million for lawns. Maybe proportional to usefulness. ;)

And water is a huge issue too. The native plants thrive in wet and dry conditions without attention.

Re:The Insect Apocalypse Is Here by ansible on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @11:00AM (#18543394)
So there is an order of magnitude difference, but the other side of that is with farmland, pesticides are applied by professionals, trying to minimize cost. With yards, pesticides are applied (most often) by rank amateurs, who often know nearly nothing about proper application.
Re:The Insect Apocalypse Is Here by cantankerous on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @11:08AM (#18543485)
Calling farmers professionals as it relates to the conscious application of dangerous pesticides is a serious stretch. We're approving new pesticides at an unreal rate. These guys have no idea how this stuff works or its impact on the greater environment. They need to use it because plants and insects are becoming resistant to the old stuff and farms are in the business to make money. Externalities be damned.

Suburban lawn care has been going on for decades, using largely the same approach it always has. Mainly fertilizers applied once or twice a year if you bother to care. Broadleaf weed killers, maybe grub killer. The primary way to getting a nice lawn, though, is to overseed so often you choke out weeds. On the other side of the coin, agriculture is engaging in a broad spectrum application of herbacides, pesticides, etc with new formulas coming all the time. At an insane scale.

There is no comparison to yards. It's agriculture.

Re:The Insect Apocalypse Is Here by JoeAltmaier on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @06:07PM (#18547723)
Where did that come from? Farmers are regulated, trained, and have oversight on chemical application. Most applications are done by farm service corporations that meticulously adhere to application schedules.

Whereas urban folks spray 10-100X the concentrations on a single dandelion that a farmer would be penalized for.

Re:The Insect Apocalypse Is Here by ansible on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @06:03PM (#18547699)
While I don't disagree with what you're saying, I'd like to point out that with suburban lawn maintenance, it wouldn't surprise me to see over-application of fertilizer and pesticide on the order of 10x actually needed.

I would expect that the harm to the environment per unit of area is greater for lawns than farmland. I'll have to look for studies that research this.

Re:The Insect Apocalypse Is Here by JoeAltmaier on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @06:05PM (#18547706)
Farmers have strict regulation on application, and face penalties to misapply. While urban lawns have no regulation and no oversight. Its commonly believed in rural areas that urban pollution/runoff far outstrips what farms contribute
Re:The Insect Apocalypse Is Here by alexanderdmitri on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @10:53AM (#18543302)
I'm curious about that definition of lawn, does it only apply to residence property or commercial spaces, athletic pitches, &c?
Re:The Insect Apocalypse Is Here by ticmasta on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @12:10PM (#18544170)
Most commercial buildings have extensive landscaping but try to limit huge patches of green grass as it's hard and expensive to maintain - unless they're using it as a signal for wealth and opulence (like a fancy hotel) or labour is really cheap.

If you've ever had a chance to run/play on modern artificial turf it's amazing. I think most facilities would love to switch to it but it's super expensive.

Re:The Insect Apocalypse Is Here by culot on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @05:54PM (#18547632)
"Homeowners use up to 10 times more chemical pesticides per acre on their lawns than farmers use on crops."

- Jamie Rappaport Clark, Director of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service [circa 2000]

Source:

https://www.fws.gov/news/ShowNews.cfm?ID=1914520959

Re:The Insect Apocalypse Is Here by dragonwriter on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @05:57PM (#18547654)
> Homeowners use up to 10 times more chemical pesticides per acre on their lawns than farmers use on crops.

That statement says a lot less than it is designed to sound like it says. I mean, it's literally true if the most pesticide happy homeowner with a postage stamp sized lawn saturates it with pesticide at a per-acre use 10 times that is typical of farms

What you want is “on average” comparison, not “up to”, which is only useful for deception.