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Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by williamdclt on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @07:31AM (#18541764)
Reliability, too. I don't trust bluetooth at all.

And price: a jack is dumb tech and cheap (cheap anough that I always had about 10 extra jacks of all kinds with me when I was doing a gig).

But to be fair, wireless transmitters/receivers do exist for musicians. They don't use bluetooth ofc, but that means that the latency can be bearable with wireless. It's made for live playing though (freedom of movement), no point using that in studio

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by TeMPOraL on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @07:37AM (#18541805)
Yup. It's not the radio that causes the latency, but the software stack. You absolutely can make low-latency and just-works wireless solution for musicians, but it's name will not be Bluetooth.
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by Spooky23 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @08:39AM (#18542151)
Reliability is huge.

The bluetooth implementations all suck. My $40k car is about as reliable and predictable from a bluetooth perspective as Chinese knock-off Jawbone copycat from 2007.

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by falcrist on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @10:42AM (#18543173)
WHY is this still the case? I mean, Bluetooth is fundamentally just a communications protocol broadcast with some kind of antenna. Yet I don't have these kinds of issues making wifi or cell service work.

Who decided to use such a flaky protocol for audio and such, and then remove the reliable connection?

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by tjohns on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @03:01PM (#18546116)
The problem with Bluetooth is the stack is too complex. Too many application-specific profiles baked directly into the protocol, which in turn need to be dealt with by device manufacturers. Bluetooth basically handles everything from OSI Layer 1 through 6 at the same time. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bluetooth_profiles

Add to that great complexity at Layer 1, and constantly changing specs. Bluetooth 1, 2, and 4 are all radically different than each other.

Compare with WiFi, which only has to do one thing (Layer 1-2). Cellular is much more complex, but that's why releasing a new phone involves endless rounds of (usually mandatory and very strict) carrier certification.

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by Wowfunhappy on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @03:43PM (#18546482)
The RJ-45 connector is an open standard that can carry basically anything—internet, video, audio, low-level data, etc—at a high bandwidth and with low latency. Why can't we have a wireless standard that does that?

I want non crappy Bluetooth mice that don't require a separate USB dongle. :(

Edit: To be clear, I'm sure ethernet cables are an entirely different thing and there's actually a very good reason why wireless makes everything more complicated. But, well, maybe that's one of the reasons people would like to stick with wires.

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by Spooky23 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:24PM (#18545049)
It’s like many things designed by committee of stakeholders with very different needs.

Everyone gets what they want, except for the end user!

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by soundwave106 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @09:31AM (#18542527)
Yeah, it's all for freedom of movement at shows.

Even though wireless transmitters have gotten a lot better than previous times (in the 1980s one of the Spinal Tap spoofs was getting radio interference in their wireless guitar system if I recall correctly), now using similar frequency bands wi-fi does with proprietary protocols from what I see (definitely not Bluetooth!)... you still see reviews of reliability problems in some circumstances. You'd definitely want to carry around a standard guitar cable as a backup if you have one.

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by Frondo on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @09:01AM (#18542289)
I do like wireless, for a different kind of reliability: never ever having to worry that I'm going to snap off the plug in my phone, pull the jack off the circuit board from sitting on it wrong, whatever. When I sit down on the train, last thing I want is to sit on my phone wrong and wreck the phone and the headphones at the same time.

Moving parts and physical connections are fragile. Wireless connections solve that fragility. Agreed that pairing sucks, but that's a solvable problem.

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by soundwave106 on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @09:57AM (#18542725)
I personally think the 3.5mm TRS jack is more reliable than Bluetooth :) but I would like to comment that this is not the most durable jack out there, so the relative fragility of 3.5mm also is a solvable problem.

The music industry standard for instrument cables is 1/4" TS for unbalanced instrument audio, 1/4" TRS for a few things like monitoring headphones, and XLR cables for most everything else. XLR in particular is a very durable system, unless you get a very badly made XLR cable or jack I would never call this system "fragile". Even 1/4" is quite an improvement durability wise over 3.5mm.

XLR is not exactly a very portable jack, but a mini-XLR jack does exist -- not as portable as TRS 3.5mm, of course. But if increasing jack durability is such a concern on a more portable device, this connector is an option. Same with using 1/4" TRS, this is a connector which has the advantage of having more headphone options with this option built in (most headphones marketed for studios should be 1/4" TRS or at least have that option).

None of the above are as portable as 3.5mm and I think this connector is "durable enough" to where I doubt it is such a priority for most phone consumers to give up some phone thickness for better durability. But in professional music applications there is a reason why 3.5mm is relatively rare.

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by ardacinar on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @10:29AM (#18543003)
Well, you can always sit on your phone wrong in the train (or do something physical 'wrong') and wreck 'something' (most likely the screen - coincidental evidence i've seen more phones with broken screen than ones with broken headphone jacks), headphone or not. Why aren't you advocating for the removal of screens from phones?
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by mcdevilkiller on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @09:31AM (#18542523)
Why are you sitting on your phone, in the first place?
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by Frondo on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @01:08PM (#18544868)
While I'm not the most careful person in the world, I'm also not the most incautious; I think it's probably not an uncommon experience for people who do regularly ride trains--e.g. those of us living in big cities where you commute by train instead of your car--that you sit and you realize you're sitting on your coat in an odd way that's got your phone in the pocket underneath you where you're sitting.

I mean, at some level, come on and use your imagination. People riding the metro don't always have total control over getting their belongings situated properly when the train's packed and there's a lot of bustling around. I assure you this experience is not unique to me.

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by _Tev on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @08:26PM (#18548504)
That's weird, it took me half a year (commuting daily) to go from "carrying phone in jeans' back pocket is practical" to "I have to take out phone from the pocket _every time_ before I sit". No problems ever since. But I guess I learn fast ... Unless it's setting up some wireless crap.
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by Frondo on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @12:26PM (#18553426)
Hey that's great. You know what? With the wireless earbuds, I never have to think about that again. I can throw my phone in my pocket, any pocket, and leave it there while I get crammed into a metro car.

So, I guess there are tradeoffs -- and fixing pairing means everyone can enjoy freedom from one more wire, while keeping on using a wire means we keep adapting our behaviors around a wire.

Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by neuralRiot on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @07:54PM (#18557238)
Don't forget that you can still have a headphone jack AND bluetooth, the problem here is the removal of one as i'm sure many people would be mad if nex gen phones would dump bluetooth and use wired-only audio.
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by _Tev on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @12:35PM (#18553544)
I am looking forward to the day when the pairing will be fixed ...
Re:I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back by cm2187 on Wednesday November 28, 2018 @04:49AM (#18550375)
I wouldn't call wireless "not fragile". It is notoriously unreliable (connection dropping problems, pairing problems, etc).