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Re:BSDs or Illumos may be good alternatives to Linux (2017) by bayindirh on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @02:21AM (#18540234)
administration differences, not being designed according to UNIX principles and personal dislike towards developer(s) is coming to my mind.

administration differences is the most direct effect of systemd, but after learning its various compatibility layers and watchdog functions, it can be tamed to a great helper.

not being designed according to UNIX principles (composition of single-role small applications, which are doing their jobs very very well) is also bothering me, but we need to be pragmatic here. inter-process-communication cannot replace in-memory-communication in all cases it seems.

The hate towards the developer(s) is stemming from his attitude, history (he's also developer of pulseaudio IIRC) and somewhat from his coding style. It seems like he's a kind of guy who can defend his work, do this in an unorthodox way, make it work and got it accepted. At the end of the day, the hate is a feeling and is personal. I think we need to be pragmatic here too. Not that better communication from both parties will benefit everyone and everything in the long run.

At the end of the day, we are using systemd, and it's working. If we want a better system, we need to improve it. systemd is the state of the art right now, and we should either write something better or improve it if we have any beef with systemd itself.

OTOH, Beef with developers is something that should stay out of software and community in general.

My original comment was trying to explore whether there are more reasons to dislike it besides the original points that I stated above.

Re:BSDs or Illumos may be good alternatives to Linux (2017) by edwr on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @04:01AM (#18540740)
"Those days are dead and gone and the eulogy was delivered by Perl." - Rob Pike on the UNIX principles
Re:BSDs or Illumos may be good alternatives to Linux (2017) by lloeki on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @05:59AM (#18541277)
> administration differences is the most direct effect of systemd, but after learning its various compatibility layers and watchdog functions, it can be tamed to a great helper.

It's both a negative and a positive. It's a change for sure but nowadays I can log into an ArchLinux, Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian,... machine and just leverage systemd instead of whatever local idiom (and its various assorted corner-cases) the distro decided to use. It's becoming the happy path of the XKCD comic about standards.

Re:BSDs or Illumos may be good alternatives to Linux (2017) by bayindirh on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @06:04AM (#18541299)
I also like the usage homogeneity, but not everyone thinks the same way.

I also like the loginctl and service auto-recovery functions TBH.