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Re:Chat app fined for plaintext passwords under GDPR by saurik on Monday November 26, 2018 @03:48PM (#18536666)
...but what they are doing will never actually be secure no matter how hard we all cover our ears and scream into the void so we don't hear it when they keep getting screwed over and over again. We can't actually make that secure no matter how many passwords we hash, we can only attempt to mitigate some fraction of the eventual carnage.

What we need to be doing is spending our time either on a massive education campaign or on technological solutions (like challenge response passwords, which HTTP never added even while every other old protocol was carefully adapting to get this right), not entrenching the position that users should be allowed to do the thing that will never ever ever be secure by putting up laws that somehow make it look sane.

The point here isn't "shame on the users": the point here is "shame on developers and lawmakers for working against users by encouraging them to do this horribly insecure thing rather than doing something sane". Seriously: how about we instead make a law (with a GDRP-like lead up of multiple years to "get ready for it") which says that "handling passwords at all isn't legal, even in transit (whether on a third-party SSL termination service or on your own servers)", and lets see how many mere hours it suddenly takes the Chrome/Firefox teams to come up with a real solution to this problem?

Re:Chat app fined for plaintext passwords under GDPR by kiriakasis on Tuesday November 27, 2018 @03:42AM (#18540633)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18380865#18381842

Passwords will never die. also by outlawing them either you force everyone to re-register to every site they want to visit or give all the power to single-sign-on services like facebook and google.