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Re:Elon Musk teases Mars breakthroughs as Starship design ra... by nabla9 on Monday November 26, 2018 @12:36PM (#18535114)
> Being good at marketing is essential

This claim is dubious. That you can sell people space exploration by hyping it up.

It does not show in money, or people going to STEM field. It probably increases interest for scifi books or videos.

> I'm sometime very tired of the pessimist sentiment here.

You want to be inspired/entertained as a consumer. People who must be constantly emotionally propped and mentally supported are not the ones who are willing to go and work toward Mars.

Re:Elon Musk teases Mars breakthroughs as Starship design ra... by dimillian on Monday November 26, 2018 @12:39PM (#18535160)
Damn, of course I'm a consumer of space. I would not even be half that interested on how to actually go on Mars if it was not for Space X.

You know, research money is not coming from nowhere, you have to actually advertise what you're doing in order to get money. I even bet the the bigger the crowd is, the more money you can raise.

You know, if the public opinion is favorable to what you're doing, it get a lot easier to actually do it.

Re:Elon Musk teases Mars breakthroughs as Starship design ra... by xrayzerone on Monday November 26, 2018 @12:41PM (#18535180)
> It does not show in money, or people going to STEM field

Anecdotally, I know many a kid who has taken an interest in space and rocketry after watching a SpaceX launch.

What empirical data have you to show that there is no correlation between space awareness (whether by Musk or anyone else) and STEM enrollment?

Re:Elon Musk teases Mars breakthroughs as Starship design ra... by nabla9 on Monday November 26, 2018 @12:56PM (#18535329)
> Anecdotally, I know many a kid who has taken an interest in space and rocketry

I was personally inspired to go to physics partially because of my love of sci-fi and all space related. That's completely orthogonal to the skeptical sentiment or lack of moon landings in my lifetime.

Real "space awarenes" comes with facts, not with hype. You can drive only so much motivation from outside.

Re:Elon Musk teases Mars breakthroughs as Starship design ra... by tomp on Monday November 26, 2018 @01:03PM (#18535397)
Right but to be able to absorb facts you first need to be excited. Like all the efforts for more kids/blacks/women in STEM/programming don't start with "this is a variable, the program will crash if you add a boolean to a string" but instead start with flashy things like games or robots or large salaries to get them excited and interested first.
Re:Elon Musk teases Mars breakthroughs as Starship design ra... by xrayzerone on Monday November 26, 2018 @12:59PM (#18535354)
And the facts, as stated in this article, are that the Starship design has changed, which you seem to conflate with marketing. So which is it.
Re:Elon Musk teases Mars breakthroughs as Starship design ra... by nabla9 on Monday November 26, 2018 @01:17PM (#18535513)
I was not discussing the article.

It's the frequent meta comments like dimillian above about "hate" and "negativity" that I find negative and harmful. They try to steer the tone of discussion to direction that the commentator feel more comfortable with.

Wanting protect feelings from getting hurt even in discussions related to technology and science are absurd.

'Say only positive things or the fragile Mars mission will collapse.'