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Re:AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With ... by nabla9 on Sunday November 25, 2018 @03:35PM (#18528861)
Fines should be some percentage of income.

Here in Finland the record speeding ticked is over 100,000 euros.

One guy in Switzerland received $1 million speeding ticket for driving his Mercedes SLS AMG over 280 km/h. That's how hit should be.

Re:AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With ... by nitrogen on Sunday November 25, 2018 @03:40PM (#18528889)
Scaling fines up to higher incomes for things that don't really matter (jaywalking, minor traffic violations) seems antithetical to the individualistic core of American culture. We typically try to equalize society by raising the floor for the many, rather than lowering the ceiling for the few.
Re:AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With ... by retsibsi on Sunday November 25, 2018 @08:34PM (#18530341)
> things that don't really matter

If they really don't matter, why forbid them at all?

For things that are worth forbidding, scaling is surely necessary to create a meaningful disincentive for the rich, without destroying the poor by setting very high flat fines.

Re:AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With ... by CJefferson on Sunday November 25, 2018 @05:16PM (#18529421)
Depends what you think the fines are for. If they are to discourage behaviour, it makes sense to me to try to make them equally discouraging to everyone, which requires scaling.
Re:AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With ... by nitrogen on Monday November 26, 2018 @04:11PM (#18536836)
The time spent while pulled over is a pretty big discouragement to everyone. Time cost scales with wealth.

But victimless "crimes" don't need punitive discouragement the way other harmful activities might. Jaywalking, speeding, turning right from the left lane, these things happen hundreds of times a day in a city, and spottily enforced huge fines are not likely to address whatever societal harm these activities might cause. There are probably better ways to spread and encourage the small social norms that allow society to function. Leave large fines for large harm.

Re:AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With ... by nabla9 on Sunday November 25, 2018 @04:28PM (#18529164)
Fixed percentage equalizes the disincentive.

The goal of fine is discourage. The same fine for all relative to income provides more equal discouragement.

Re:AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With ... by coldtea on Sunday November 25, 2018 @04:14PM (#18529080)
>We typically try to equalize society by raising the floor for the many, rather than lowering the ceiling for the few.

When it comes to crimes like that, you want to absolutely lower the ceiling for the few as well, and scaling fines is the way to do it.

Re:AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With ... by yesenadam on Monday November 26, 2018 @04:33AM (#18532117)
..the individualistic core of American culture. We typically try to equalize society by raising the floor for the many, rather than lowering the ceiling for the few.

That's what they teach you anyway. The reality - e.g. ridiculously expensive medical bills, widespread poverty - is rather different, so I hear.

e.g. see The US has a lot of money, but it does not look like a developed country https://qz.com/879092/the-us-doesnt-look-like-a-developed-co...

Re:AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With ... by sgustard on Sunday November 25, 2018 @06:03PM (#18529667)
It's not just US culture, the Constitution itself prohibits "excessive fines" in the 8th Amendment. The framers were pretty good at predicting future kinds of vigilante justice that people thought up.