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Re:The Decline and Fall of the Zuckerberg Empire by jayalpha on Sunday November 25, 2018 @03:06AM (#18525916)
WhatsApp? Is this so difficult to program? Just VOIP and messaging? The Chinese WeChat hat much for features (e.g. send money, pay etc.)

And even my mother has installed Threema on her phone because a friend of her asked for it. This tells you something. It is hard to come up with another social network like facebook. But a chatting client on the phone? The tide can change very fast there.

Threema gets used more in Europe than in the states. But even a US buddy recently suggested we switch to threema. It is closed source but claims to offer more privacy.

https://threema.ch/en

Re:The Decline and Fall of the Zuckerberg Empire by solatic on Sunday November 25, 2018 @12:08PM (#18527680)
> WhatsApp? Is this so difficult to program? Just VOIP and messaging?

Yes, it actually is that difficult to program. To scale to WhatsApp's level, you can't just base all your message-delivery off a Kafka cluster and be done with it. Amazon Chime still hasn't been deployed outside of us-east-1 and seems nowhere close to a global deployment.

The engineering effort to provide low-latency communications, at geographic and user scale, is very much non-trivial.

Re:The Decline and Fall of the Zuckerberg Empire by statictype on Sunday November 25, 2018 @03:46AM (#18526026)
Chat apps also have network effects.

People use Whatsapp because that's what everyone else uses. I would prefer Signal but no one I know uses it.

Everyone I know uses Whatsapp.

So I use Whatsapp.

Re:The Decline and Fall of the Zuckerberg Empire by josteink on Sunday November 25, 2018 @04:04AM (#18526079)
Clearly anecdotal.

Nobody I know uses WhatsApp. So I don’t use WhatsApp.

See how that works?

Re:The Decline and Fall of the Zuckerberg Empire by function_seven on Sunday November 25, 2018 @04:37AM (#18526162)
If you count the number of anecdotes on the WhatsApp side vs. Signal or other similar networks, you will find that a massive quantitative difference. There are about 1,000 WhatsApp users for every 1 Telegram or Signal user.

The anecdote is supposed to show why one can't just write their own app. It doesn't work that way.

Re:The Decline and Fall of the Zuckerberg Empire by jayalpha on Sunday November 25, 2018 @06:02AM (#18526397)
No, it does. I am not going to post the same story on five different social networks. But I can easily have 5 different chatting clients on my phone.
Re:The Decline and Fall of the Zuckerberg Empire by statictype on Sunday November 25, 2018 @08:00AM (#18526692)
How many people do you know who are happy to have 5 different chatting apps on their phone and remember which one to use to talk to which person?

Consider that you're a distant outlier.

Re:The Decline and Fall of the Zuckerberg Empire by unforeseen9991 on Sunday November 25, 2018 @10:04AM (#18527137)
I use 4, and it's not difficult to remember, for anyone worth chatting to.

You just naturally remember, like you would remember where your friends live. I guess if you are constantly dealing with "contacts" rather then friends it would get confusing.

Re:The Decline and Fall of the Zuckerberg Empire by mav3rick on Sunday November 25, 2018 @11:12AM (#18527415)
Most people in the US don't look past iMessage. WeChat / WhatsApp abroad. Network effects are real.
Re:The Decline and Fall of the Zuckerberg Empire by zrobotics on Sunday November 25, 2018 @01:22PM (#18528014)
Maybe for your group , but imessage certainly isn't the standard across the US. Does nobody you know own an android?
Re:The Decline and Fall of the Zuckerberg Empire by jayalpha on Monday November 26, 2018 @12:21AM (#18531256)
Most people have facebook and instagramm on their phone which could be already seen as "chatting apps". I don't use them for chatting.

I use

1. WeChat

2. WhatsApp

3. Threema

4. Frozenchat, a Jabber client with OTR support

Don't have signal yet.

Ah, and I can "chat" via Text message too :-)

Re:The Decline and Fall of the Zuckerberg Empire by kkarakk on Monday November 26, 2018 @01:15AM (#18531511)
1. no one uses this outside of china,they failed in their push to even india

2. global leader right now

3. as compromised as whatsapp,has data compliance with multiple countries

4. no name fork of a no name

Re:The Decline and Fall of the Zuckerberg Empire by jayalpha on Monday November 26, 2018 @11:28PM (#18539374)
1. Clearly anecdotal evidence

2. correct

3. Multiple countries? You would need a court order from Switzerland. I am not even sure they can access your messages if they wanted to.

4. Irrelevant because it is a client to an open protocol. Which client you use does not matter. I just named mine.

Re:The Decline and Fall of the Zuckerberg Empire by tomcooks on Sunday November 25, 2018 @10:22AM (#18527215)
How can you trust them wwhen the code isn't open? I'll stick to signal
Re:The Decline and Fall of the Zuckerberg Empire by based2 on Sunday November 25, 2018 @07:55AM (#18526675)