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Re:Major AI conference is moving to Africa in 2020 due to vi... by Radim on Saturday November 24, 2018 @05:53AM (#18521439)
Lest you think this is a problem only for Africans & USA:

I was denied visa, going to present my paper at NIPS 2010 in Vancouver, Canada. Czech citizen (EU), PhD student at the time, with obvious ties to CZ.

I fully respect each country's right to refuse anyone, including without providing a reason (as was the case with me). I see it as "their loss" :-) You pesky computer scientists, stay away!

Re:Major AI conference is moving to Africa in 2020 due to vi... by falcor84 on Saturday November 24, 2018 @08:22AM (#18521875)
Regarding the right to refuse anyone, I was of the same opinion myself but mostly changed my mind after reading this article posted on HN:

http://www.owl232.net/papers/immigration.htm

I now find this to be a very interesting and subtle ethical question

Re:Major AI conference is moving to Africa in 2020 due to vi... by everybodyknows on Saturday November 24, 2018 @02:42PM (#18523644)
The essay is missing a couple of sections:

3.6 Social Peace

When large swathes of the work force suffer falling income sure to competition from immigrants, anger will rise to dangerous levels.

3.7 Maintenance of Social Capacity for Self-Governance

Rule of law through government institutions, rather than by an elite of cronies through hired thugs, is possible only under certain conditions. Foremost of these being: 1) Engagement of citizens in government, going beyond the minimum of showing up at a polling booth every four years, and 2) Sufficient education to understand what's being voted upon.

Though both of these are questions of degree rather than Boolean propositions, both nevertheless remain requirements of existential gravity for any free society.

The election of 2016 shows just how imperiled 3.6 and 3.7 have become here in the United States.

The author, writing back in 2010, lacked the 2016 evidence.

Re:Major AI conference is moving to Africa in 2020 due to vi... by raverbashing on Saturday November 24, 2018 @12:12PM (#18522922)
I don't buy it. Because it focuses too much on "supposed" rights of the immigrant and not the rights of the one already there (which, as much as the "no borders" people deny that more crimes and bad stuff happens with unchecked migration, it does happen).
Re:Major AI conference is moving to Africa in 2020 due to vi... by thomasahle on Saturday November 24, 2018 @08:25PM (#18524881)
David Miller also had an interesting episode on Philosophy bites on the issue: https://philosophybites.com/2016/11/david-miller-on-immigrat...
Re:Major AI conference is moving to Africa in 2020 due to vi... by rukittenme on Saturday November 24, 2018 @10:03AM (#18522285)
Really? What aspect of his argument convinced you?
Re:Major AI conference is moving to Africa in 2020 due to vi... by lrajlich on Saturday November 24, 2018 @11:47AM (#18522795)
what's the tl;dr? I only read the primae facie rights section and 1) this is reasoning by analogy, 2) the analogies don't make sense..
Re:Major AI conference is moving to Africa in 2020 due to vi... by slededit on Saturday November 24, 2018 @12:26PM (#18522978)
This may not apply to your case but a lot of these conference immigration issues come from getting paid to speak. Depending on how you phrase it the inspector may treat it as “work” which is a big no-no.
Re:Major AI conference is moving to Africa in 2020 due to vi... by baybal2 on Saturday November 24, 2018 @07:53AM (#18521800)
Yes, this distresses me the most, these random refusal are 99% caused by the person failing some arbitrary checkbox list, or edicts like "reduce number of visas to country N by N percents" so they feel pain
Re:Major AI conference is moving to Africa in 2020 due to vi... by so_tired on Saturday November 24, 2018 @08:58AM (#18522021)
Yeah, but u get free access EU, the biggest, democratic and affluent economic bloc.

SO i guess life balances out. Sort of.

But yes. Denied visa after getting accepted really sucks. Do u still get "published in NIPS" credit or is the paper withdrawn ?

Re:Major AI conference is moving to Africa in 2020 due to vi... by sneak on Saturday November 24, 2018 @10:53AM (#18522542)
Why should a country’s government prevent you from traveling to/on a piece of land owned by a person who wants you there? What is there to respect about using violent force to prevent peaceful innocent people from freely associating and gathering? Why should they have that “right” to prevent you from peacefully traveling from A to B?