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Re:Silent and Simple Ion Engine Powers a Plane with No Movin... by superkuh on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @12:50PM (#18504516)
Does it? As far as I can tell it doesn't exist outside of the person's mind. Having played around with lifters myself using balsa, al foil, and a rectified neon sign transformer I just don't think the physics can work out. And there's no physical plane photos or videos to support otherwise. Until then I'm sticking with this being absurd.

That said, ionization does have it's place in aircraft in terms of controlling attachment or detachment of turbulent airflow over wings. It can significantly improve fuel consumption by reducing drag.

But it is not a viable propulsion source. At least not on Earth for things larger than a meter or so.

Re:Silent and Simple Ion Engine Powers a Plane with No Movin... by NelsonMinar on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @01:04PM (#18504663)
"As far as I can tell it doesn't exist outside of the person's mind."

Why would you say something like this? You sound arrogant and stupid.

You are talking about an article which says "he built the thing and flew it". And you deny that based on your balsa wood experiments?

Someone else has done you the favor of posting a video of it flying. Perhaps you'll believe that?

Re:Silent and Simple Ion Engine Powers a Plane with No Movin... by hnphillipj on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @12:55PM (#18504568)
https://youtu.be/boB6qu5dcCw?t=128

>But it is not a viable propulsion source. At least not on Earth for things larger than a meter or so.

It's 5m wide

Re:Silent and Simple Ion Engine Powers a Plane with No Movin... by superkuh on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @12:57PM (#18504590)
Thanks for providing that. It does prove my point though. That plane is not flying at all. It is falling with style. The initial forward momentum is from the launch rail, not from the electrostatic propulsion.
Re:Silent and Simple Ion Engine Powers a Plane with No Movin... by hnphillipj on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @01:07PM (#18504698)
https://sci-hub.tw/https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-01...

see the top of page 534, figure b. You are correct that the initial forward momentum is from the launch rail, but the graph clearly shows that the ion engine provides thrust.

Is the title of the HN submission misleading? Yes.

Did the plane achieve flight with the ion engine alone? No.

Was the plane able to maintain and gain altitude because of the ion engine? Yes.

A step forward in the right direction but not as much of a breakthrough as the submission title would have you think.

>As far as I can tell it doesn't exist outside of the person's mind.

Based brah. I'm being serious when I say that I think HN needs more of this type of comment. They seem to love rigidity in comments, but not any bluntness or banter thrown in there.

Re:Silent and Simple Ion Engine Powers a Plane with No Movin... by Junk_Collector on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @01:22PM (#18504787)
Thanks for finding the paper.

Sucking almost 3A out of the battery, it's not going to fly very long, but that's also a fairly inefficient power converter design. There is lots of room for improvement.

Re:Silent and Simple Ion Engine Powers a Plane with No Movin... by erbium on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @01:09PM (#18504712)
Nice work finding the paper.
Re:Silent and Simple Ion Engine Powers a Plane with No Movin... by hsnewman on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @12:54PM (#18504564)
Re:Silent and Simple Ion Engine Powers a Plane with No Movin... by eT8AZithxooKei6 on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @09:28PM (#18507530)