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Re:The Second Half of Watergate Was Bigger, Worse, and Forgo... by dragonwriter on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @04:11AM (#18501237)
> He was part of a non-profit advocacy group

“Part of” doesn't really capture his status as the sole paid employee.

> Seems he ran around doing radio interviews, not making profits.

The $1.2 million isn't the contribution to the entity that paid expenses and his salary, it's his salary from the entity. So it very much seems like he was running around doing radio interviews and making (rather large) profits.

Re:The Second Half of Watergate Was Bigger, Worse, and Forgo... by sonnyblarney on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @04:40AM (#18501348)
No.

That he was the sole member is not relevant.

And you're misunderstanding the issue of 'non profit': he was not operating a profitable entity. His comp. doesn't count as profit for the org.

Again - there's nothing here. He was part of a private firm that did advocacy, among other things. 1/2 of the people that go into government go in from private firms, and we know nothing about their relationships otherwise.

This guy worked for this odd non-profit long before anyone could have conceived that he would be the US chief attorney, so there's no smoke here really.

Re:The Second Half of Watergate Was Bigger, Worse, and Forgo... by dragonwriter on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @04:55AM (#18501411)
> That he was the sole member is not relevant.

That he was the sole paid employee is relevant to the minimizing deflection you keep making that he was merely “part of” the entity.

> And you're misunderstanding the issue of 'non profit'

No, I'm not (but you are).

> he was not operating a profitable entity.

Not that that is germane to anything, but non-profit doesn't mean that an organization isn't profitable, it means that there are no equity claims on any profits (that is, it doesn't return profits to it's owners.)

> His comp. doesn't count as profit for the org.

Which would be relevant if he issue was whether the org was making profits, but not when it is whether he was making profits.

> This guy worked for this odd non-profit long before anyone could have conceived that he would be the US chief attorney, so there's no smoke here really.

The former might be relevant to the latter if the accusation was that he was being bribed in anticipation of becoming AG, rather than the opacity of the background of a non-Senate-confirmed and otherwise non-publicly-vetted appointee as Acting Attorney General outside the normal line of succession.

Re:The Second Half of Watergate Was Bigger, Worse, and Forgo... by sonnyblarney on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @05:09AM (#18501457)
> That there was 1 or more people is irrelevant, and I'm not deflecting anything.

> "So it very much seems like he was running around doing radio interviews and making (rather large) profits."

This statement implies a lack of understanding of what a 'non profit' is, because there is no indication of profit here.

But it doesn't matter - by all accounts, this was just a regular non-profit. There's nothing curious about it.

> "The former might be relevant to the latter if the accusation was that he was being bribed in anticipation of becoming AG"

He was employed there since 2014 - you're implication would be that somehow, years before Trump was elected, years before his nomination, that someone could have bribed him - which is totally far fetched.

Also - again - hypocritical if you don't apply the same logic to other members of such offices, all of whom have 'opaque' financial backgrounds were they in private office. Who paid Loretta Lynch's millions for 10 years before she became AG? And where was the uproar then?

There are no loaded dice here.

Just regular DC inanity.

Re:The Second Half of Watergate Was Bigger, Worse, and Forgo... by dragonwriter on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @05:26AM (#18501533)
> This statement implies a lack of understanding of what a 'non profit' is, because there is no indication of profit here.

(1) you keep explicitly demonstrating (not merely implying) complete ignorance of what a nonprofit is, because you keep saying that making profits is relevant to that status (it's not, returning them to investors is.)

(2) moreover, you keep demonstrating failure at reading comprehension at the same time, by stubbornly (now even after the error was pointed out) confusing a statement about Whittaker personally profiting with a statement about the nonprofit from which he was profiting doing so.

> He was employed there since 2014 - you're implication would be that somehow, years before Trump was elected, years before his nomination, that someone could have bribed him

No, my explicit claim was that your continuing to point to the fact that he was employed there before anyone could have predicted he would become AG would only be relevant if someone had made the outlandish claim you suggest, but that you are beating a strawman because literally no one anywhere has made that claim.

Re:The Second Half of Watergate Was Bigger, Worse, and Forgo... by sonnyblarney on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @05:36AM (#18501583)
I know exactly what a 'non-profit' is - your statement about 'making profits' clearly indicates you're something amiss with it - and there clearly is not.

It was a non-profit. He got paid. That's it. There's nothing to bring up. So why would you otherwise?

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" but that you are beating a strawman because literally no one anywhere has made that claim."

Really?

"This is intellectually lazy its a clear case of corruption" ... is what someone wrote just above - and is the general implication of those commenting here.

The entire thread is devoted to insinuating that this guy has some kind of major conflict of interest due to his shady involvement with this non-profit.

So, no, it's not a 'straw man' - I'm responding directly to the assertion.

There is nothing here.

A curious but otherwise normal non-profit, in operation long before anything relevant.

There's probably no fire, there's not even any smoke.

Re:The Second Half of Watergate Was Bigger, Worse, and Forgo... by shaki-dora on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @02:28PM (#18505303)
Dude... stop digging you (metaphorical) grave. You lost this argument five levels up. Pretending not to understand why someone could be compromised by a cool million and change for a few interviews makes it terribly difficult not to assume bad faith on your part.

It is, however, the sort of public humiliation one might be willing to accept as an employee of Completely Ordinary People for the Advancement of Motivated Reasoning and Large Paychecks.

Re:The Second Half of Watergate Was Bigger, Worse, and Forgo... by coldtea on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @06:46AM (#18501954)
>That he was the sole member is not relevant. And you're misunderstanding the issue of 'non profit': he was not operating a profitable entity. His comp. doesn't count as profit for the org.

Which is irrelevant, as it's still revenue AND profit for him.

Re:The Second Half of Watergate Was Bigger, Worse, and Forgo... by sonnyblarney on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @08:20PM (#18507331)
"Which is irrelevant, as it's still revenue AND profit for him"

And that is also irrelevant.

>>> He had a job and got paid for it <<<

Is this now the threshold for sinister activity?

Are you people reading your own words?

The implication of the OP regarding 'profit' was that there was something remiss re: 'non profit'.

There isn't.

There is no smoke here.

A guy had a job in the private sector, very much like most others before they go into public office.

That's it.

So, hopefully, they'll have a chance for vetting.

But we'll find out about as much about his non-profits backers as we did about Loretta Lynch clients while she was in private practice before become AG - which is not much.

Money he receives during holding public office is another story altogether.

Thy hypocrisy on this thread is byzantine, people have lost their marbles.

I'm so glad I don't have a stake in this game, and thankful everyday I'm not caught up in American political delusions which so few seem to actually be able to escape.

Re:The Second Half of Watergate Was Bigger, Worse, and Forgo... by coldtea on Thursday November 22, 2018 @04:18AM (#18508862)
>>> He had a job and got paid for it <<< >Is this now the threshold for sinister activity?

Never wrote the above, never said that is the threshold, so not ever sure what you're going on about.

The threshold of "sinister activity" is getting money from unknown sources. That would be problematic whether you're DA or a private citizen (e.g. for money laundering etc). Doubly so if you're supposedly in an organization for "Accountability and Civic Trust", where you're making statements with political impact against policies, politicians and parties, as an "non profit" "ngo", while getting paid millions from unknown donors (with whatever agendas). Doubly so if it's 2017 and you continue getting paid from them while getting to the post of chief of staff of Sessions.

>Are you people reading your own words?

Well, what you quoted above are not "my own words", so there's that.

Re:The Second Half of Watergate Was Bigger, Worse, and Forgo... by anigbrowl on Friday November 23, 2018 @10:40PM (#18520333)
A guy had a job in the private sector, very much like most others before they go into public office.

- What did you do before? - I did [stuff] - For who? - Not telling.

Yeah, that sounds legit.

Re:The Second Half of Watergate Was Bigger, Worse, and Forgo... by code_duck on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @08:22AM (#18502443)
That’s the thing some people don’t get about non-profits - the employees and owners can certainly profit. An individual is in question here, not whatever entity he formed or was working for.

Also, non-profit just refers to the structure of the corporation for tax purposes. It’s also not a synonym for charity.

Re:The Second Half of Watergate Was Bigger, Worse, and Forgo... by sonnyblarney on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @01:54PM (#18505032)
The notion of "personal profit" raised by the OP in relation to this is problematic - people just get paid by one group or another, it's just income. Why even bother with the 'personal profit' point?

A guy worked for a private entity for years.

That's it.

There's no story here.

Nobody working for the Gov. not even AG is going to be required to list all of those who paid into such entities over the past - and it only demonstrates the sad level of partisanship here that everyone should try to consider as much for this guy.

If there are some nefarious dealings then, fine, hopefully they will come to light.

Other than that, there is nothing here, not even smoke

Re:The Second Half of Watergate Was Bigger, Worse, and Forgo... by code_duck on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @03:36PM (#18505848)
That’s not quite accurate as far as how employment or compensation can be used to influence public figures. The amount seems rather high, and they would have to be demonstrate that he performed work for which that is something near fair market compensation. Did he have other jobs at the time, for instance? Did they hire any relatives of his? Plenty of questions to investigate as sometimes people are given entirely fake jobs as a method of bribery.
Re:The Second Half of Watergate Was Bigger, Worse, and Forgo... by sonnyblarney on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @08:26PM (#18507355)
Your questions are reasonable, but in reality, there's nothing remotely suspicious about this.

People get paid a lot in high powered situations.

Fundraisers for charities make a fortune.

Members of Boards get paid a fortune for seemingly not doing a lot.

Tons of people in 'think tanks' are paid a fortune for their roles.

There's really not much out of line here.

If he was receiving money while on the public dole - that's another story.

If he 'all of a sudden' got a pile of cash whilst we knew he was going to be AG - different story.

But his involvement in the non-profit predates any of the Trumpian shenanigans, so this is really a non story.

If you apply the same degree of scrutiny to non-Trump officials from other eras, you run into the same problems.

Most massively: the Clinton Global Wealth Initiative. Basically a super-massive kitty-fund for the Clinton family, that actors - many of them nefarious - from all sorts of shady places in the world have paid into while Clinton was Secretary of State ! Her fund was literally receiving millions of dollars from state actors she was doing public business with. There was an example of a man in Chicago who made a $200K donation, and then was appointed to a board (after a scandal he was withdrawn) ... but there's basically no way to detangle Clinton from that fund, no matter how above board she is. Nobody in government should be managing a several hundred million dollar fund that their peers are contributing to. I'm not hinting that she was corrupt, rather, the conflict of interest is as big as you can get and there wasn't much fuss over it.

Re:The Second Half of Watergate Was Bigger, Worse, and Forgo... by code_duck on Thursday November 22, 2018 @02:17AM (#18508424)
Now that you’ve mentioned Hillary Clinton, I refuse to participate in this conversation.