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Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ... by ReptileMan on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @10:48PM (#18500023)
Yeah, but they offer extensive coverage and are reliable - also somewhat expensive. To get such thing for NY - you need to drill a lot more tunnels and fast and make sure trains run on time.
Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ... by talldan on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @11:31PM (#18500156)
I don't think you need to drill tunnels. That hasn't happened (much) in London, yet there's been a marked improvement in the core service over the last 20 years.

London's network is older and has smaller tunnels. It also only has single tunnels in each direction (so if a train breaks down the whole line stops).

The difference is that the network has had steady investment under single management for a prolonged period. Londoners have suffered through closures for engineering work, but ageing systems have been upgraded and gradually the benefit is being felt.

Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ... by ReptileMan on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @02:41AM (#18500849)
Never been to NYC but I think that the MTA rail coverage is way lower especially in the non Manhattan boroughs compared to the London Underground, Overground, DLR and National rail. You could get from any point in London to anypoint for less than an hour only by rail and walking.
Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ... by asib on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @04:47AM (#18501377)
> You could get from any point in London to anypoint for less than an hour only by rail and walking.

Whilst in general I agree with the sentiment of your comment, this is not true. Lots of residential areas in Greater London will have ~20 min walk to nearest tube or overground, and if you're going across the city, the train part of your journey can definitely be > 40 min.

As an example, I've got two friends, one lives in Wimbledon (far south), the other in Barnet (far north). It takes quite a bit longer than an hour for one to get to the other's house.

Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ... by geezerjay on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @02:00PM (#18505078)
> I've got two friends, one lives in Wimbledon (far south), the other in Barnet (far north).

That isn't a fair assessment. Metro lines are used to enhance mobility within urban areas. Their goal is to replace cars and 20-30min walks with a 5-10 metro ride with an additional 5min walk. That's why typically subway stations are placed about 500m to 800m apart, and the system's commercial speed is designed to be around 50km/h.

For long commutes, such as going from far north to far south, there is an entirely different system: commuter rail. Their stations are further apart, their commercial speed is higher, and so is the passenger volume.

Just to provide an example, Madrid is served by both rapid transit network (madrid metro) ans a commuter rail system (madrid cercanias). It takes between 30 and 40 minutes to cross Madrid riding the metro network, but the commuter rail takes about 15 or 20 minutes.

Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ... by talldan on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @10:53PM (#18507752)
That's an ideal and not actual reality.

Taking London as an example, there aren't many ways to cross London in such a way using commuter rail (ThamesLink currently and Crossrail in the future are probably the only two?). Most people would still use the tube.

That's why 1hr + journeys in London are not uncommon.

(edited to add) London and New York are also much much larger cities than Madrid. It's not really a fair comparison.

Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ... by asib on Thursday November 22, 2018 @07:55AM (#18509697)
It is a fair assessment, because I did take into account commuter rail, which is not any faster - a quick Google maps check says both tube and rail (of any form - overground, national rail, etc.) journeys come to around 1 hr 40 mins.
Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ... by free652 on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @03:00AM (#18500935)
Yea, MTA also includes Long Island RR and Metro North. NJ has Path and NJ transit.

NYC isn't circular so going from Bronx to Brooklyn is 30 miles.

Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ... by sho on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @12:50AM (#18500442)
> also somewhat expensive

Ha, what? My old commute on the Singapore MRT - 5 stations - cost me the grand sum of SGD$1.07 (USD0.78). Even to the airport is only a couple of bucks.

Tokyo isn't quite as cheap but it's still very affordable.

Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ... by thedufer on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @12:04AM (#18500273)
I don't know about the others, but Hong Kong's system has far fewer stops and is mostly cheaper (it's distance-based and exceeds New York's flat fee at the high end) than New York's. The reliability difference rings true, though.