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Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ... by bobthepanda on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @06:53PM (#18498993)
It's worth noting that they got there because at the time of development, the rail companies were able to buy up the surrounding land and develop that. They reinvested their real estate profits into more rail and more real estate, creating a virtuous cycle. (Hong Kong, one of the only other profitable systems, did something similar by having the government effectively transfer land for free initially.)

American rail systems largely didn't develop around their stations, and if they bothered to develop around their stations they sold the land after construction and that was it. For them to do so today would require billions, if not tens of billions of dollars to provide fair compensation for eminent domain for land and property around stations. And that's before the legal costs to fight all the resulting litigation, if they even were allowed to do it.

Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ... by tellarin on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @10:16PM (#18499912)
That’s actually the same model the Hong Kong MTR company applies for the subway lines it manages in mainland China (like lines 4, 14, and 16 in Beijing). Buy land right where lines will pass and near stations and develop it.
Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ... by bobthepanda on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @08:03PM (#18507280)
I don't disagree. But the MTR is able to do that in China because they already make money in Hong Kong.

No North American transit operator makes money, so they have no way to buy up land in the first place.

Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ... by nappy on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @03:53AM (#18501157)
so American rail in the 1870's