Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ...
by Zhenya on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @06:14PM
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The one that provides people (the illusion of) liberty through movement.
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Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ...
by dwaltrip on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @06:45PM
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Cars and roads have plenty of problems, sure, but I have no idea what you mean by this "illusion of freedom".
Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ...
by TheSoftwareGuy on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @07:41PM
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He's likely referring to how (some) people enjoy driving because of the sense of freedom & control it gives them. But he is asserting that this is just an illusion.
Honestly, I feel the same way, since most time I spend driving I spend sitting in traffic or something.
Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ...
by jimmy1 on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @09:59PM
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There are few things I get more enjoyment out of than driving a car that corners well through a beautiful mountainous road like the Blue Ridge Parkway through the Appalachian, or up through Yosemite from Fresno.
When I need to clear my head, I still hop in the car and go for a drive with music. Not also afraid to admit -- I've had some of my most cathartic, emotional-cleansing crys in the vehicle by myself.
In this day and age where there are fewer and fewer places to go to truly be alone with one's own thoughts, sometimes my vehicle is my own personal sanctuary.
Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ...
by 1stranger on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @10:24PM
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Of course other countries with excellent public transit also have plenty of scenic country roads. It's not like we have to pick between the two. (I don't think you were claiming we do, I just wanted to highlight that argument.)
Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ...
by francisofascii on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @10:54AM
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Sounds like your typical car commercial. I wish cars were only used for these types of infrequent trips, rather than for nearly all of one's transportation.
Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ...
by adrianN on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @03:33AM
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How many of the miles driven are cornering on interesting roads in the mountains and how many miles are dull city traffic during rush hour? I'd wager that most people never drive a road that you'd find interesting in a car that would make it worth their time.
Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ...
by Zhenya on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @08:15PM
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That's right (I'm the OP) - I love driving and work in the auto industry. The biggest pitch of the car(look at the commercials) is that your car defines you, and provides you a lifestyle and freedom.
However, there really is an element of freedom. You can drive where you want when you want. It's just that the average person sits in bumper to bumper traffic.
Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ...
by megablast on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @09:14PM
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I guess you just don't care about the 40,000 people killed every year.
Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ...
by illirik on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @11:44PM
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I used to feel that way, too, but since I moved to Seattle, I traded my car in for a motorcycle, and that feeling of freedom has returned in full force. Maybe it is just a different illusion, but the wind and the noise on my morning commute wake me up better than any coffee I've ever had. Getting forty-some-odd miles to the gallon on a vehicle that can go 130 MPH ain't bad, either.
Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ...
by ALittleLight on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @12:00AM
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Yeah, plus you don't incur the health risks associated with dangerous coffee.
Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ...
by francisofascii on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @10:59AM
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If you always need a car to go places (work, groceries, visit friends, church, etc.), is it still freedom?