NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', experts say

Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ... by chipotle_coyote on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @04:48PM (#18498111)

And it's just crass to claim that there's a statistically measurable number of fare jumpers.

Genuine question: why is that? I'm not familiar with the mechanics of the NYC Metro area, but I'm familiar with SF's BART, which certainly claims to have statistics on this -- about 22,000 fare jumps a day, as compared to around 433,000 trips per weekday, meaning about 5% of riders are freeloaders. (They claim this costs about $25M a year.) The San Francisco Chronicle did their own reporting on this, and at the very least it backed up the assertion there were a statistically measurable number of fare jumpers.

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Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ... by iknowstuff on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @05:54PM (#18498620)

Ahh those extrapolations. Just like MPAA and their piracy spiel. Multiply 22`000 * 365 days * $3 and you get their $25M. Except a lot of those people simply would never pay the actual fare and the cost of moving additional weight is negligible, so the number is way inflated.

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Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ... by chipotle_coyote on Wednesday November 21, 2018 @12:55PM (#18504566)

You're comparing people who pirate media that they'd never have actually bought to... people who take BART trips for free that they've never have taken otherwise? You're going to have to work harder to make this comparison work for me, sorry.

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Re:NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', ... by lwf on Tuesday November 20, 2018 @07:45PM (#18499261)

They wouldn't pay the full fare anyways? Would they... take cheaper transportation?

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