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Re:End-to-end encryption does not prevent Facebook from acce... by jillesvangurp on Sunday November 18, 2018 @06:42AM (#18479910)
If your point is that it is not perfect, you are right. Case in point here is openssl which after decades of usage was so convoluted that people decided to create independent implementations to cut down on the problems that were found in it regularly.

You are also right that appstores are a problem. However, one of the nice things they do is using signatures to prevent tampering with the builds. So having a build system that produces reproducible builds and signatures means users can check whether things line up.

A bigger problem is the reliance on the phone network for identity. A lot of these chat clients insist on using telephone numbers for identifying users. This has been used to shut down chat networks in countries with telecom operators that are collaborating with governments.

If you want to stay secure, most of the chat apps out there are problematic at some level. Signal is one of the very few decent options out there. It is one of the few solutions that has both open source clients and servers and a wide community of people using it and scrutinizing it. With e.g. whatsapp, you are at the mercy of a multinational with a track record of indifference and negligence towards the goal of preserving their user's privacy and, worse, a strong incentive towards doing the exact opposite.

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