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Re:Uber Revenue Slows as Quarterly Loss Surges to $1.1B by asteli on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:21PM (#18454693)
It's a strange world we live in when people speak poorly of 38% revenue growth. To me, that seems like a staggeringly huge growth rate. I looked up the numbers independently to double check, and yep.

63% revenue growth between Q2'17/Q2'18, 38% between Q3'17/Q3'18.

If my own 9 year old company was growing 38% YOY I think I'd be very very happy.

Re:Uber Revenue Slows as Quarterly Loss Surges to $1.1B by marinman on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:33PM (#18454805)
"Highly valued companies typically grow quickly or generate big profits -- and great ones do both. In the fourth quarter of 2005, Amazon.com Inc. had about the same revenue as Uber’s today -- just under $3 billion, not adjusted for inflation. Yet, Amazon earned $199 million in profit and was worth about a fourth of Uber’s $76 billion valuation."

I think this graph neatly summarizes the concern at this point. There are few signs that the business can live up to its existing hefty valuation, not-to-mention the even-loftier IPO expectations.

Amazon was also famously unprofitable as a public company for a long, long time. But they still had revenue growth rates worth investing in and potentially more defensible businesses.

I do wonder if the ride-sharing business will wind up like the airlines business: valuable, booming but very, very tough to consistently make large profits.

Re:Uber Revenue Slows as Quarterly Loss Surges to $1.1B by adventured on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:58PM (#18455020)
> I do wonder if the ride-sharing business will wind up like the airlines business: valuable, booming but very, very tough to consistently make large profits.

Rather, how the airline business used to be, before it consolidated down enough (in the US). Now it's a goldmine of consistent profit compared to what it used to be.

Delta - the world's most profitable airline - generated $24 billion in operating income over the prior four fiscal years; $3.3b in the last two quarters. Not impressive compared to certain tech giants, however still excellent operating profitability given the history of airlines. The major US airlines are of course domestic focused, so the corporate tax cut took them all from ~35-40% rates down to closer to 20%, further bolstering their bonanza.

It's why Warren Buffett bought ~10% of all of them (Berkshire owns 9.2% of Delta, 9.7% of American, 9.8% of Southwest, 9.8% of United). He perceived that the market had permanently shifted due to consolidation. The airlines have become more like the modern railroads, going from brutal competition to stable oligopoly and consistent profit machines.

Last four years operating income:

Delta: $24b, American: $23b, United: $17b, Southwest: $14b

Re:Uber Revenue Slows as Quarterly Loss Surges to $1.1B by TheCoelacanth on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @06:44PM (#18455393)
When you're selling dollar bills for $0.75, 38% revenue growth is not that impressive.
Re:Uber Revenue Slows as Quarterly Loss Surges to $1.1B by jonlucc on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:33PM (#18454807)
I may be totally wrong, but I think the point is that just about any company can grow 38% for a long time if you throw enough money at it. So far, lots of people have thrown lots of money at Uber, and some days it looks like they're not going to get profitable before they burn their runway.
Re:Uber Revenue Slows as Quarterly Loss Surges to $1.1B by AlexandrB on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @06:24PM (#18455237)
It's easy to grow a company that's giving away $2 of goods/services for every $1 it charges. Until the money runs out that is.

Uber just has very deep pockets compared to other companies that used this model (e.g. Movie Pass).

Re:Uber Revenue Slows as Quarterly Loss Surges to $1.1B by dragonwriter on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @06:27PM (#18455263)
> It's a strange world we live in when people speak poorly of 38% revenue growth.

Their losses are growing. Growing revenue is important as a route to profitability, but if you are heading the other way despite growing revenue...

Re:Uber Revenue Slows as Quarterly Loss Surges to $1.1B by SilasX on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @06:21PM (#18455212)
>It's a strange world we live in when people speak poorly of 38% revenue growth.

It's also a strange world where you need significantly more than 38% growth just to stop losing money while still valued at $50 billion.

Re:Uber Revenue Slows as Quarterly Loss Surges to $1.1B by friday99 on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:36PM (#18454837)
Well to be fair, the 9 year old company is losing $1.1B a quarter with no plans to make any money which would make me very very sad.

Also, that revenue growth is half of what it was 6 months ago, which is the dramatic slowing referenced.

Re:Uber Revenue Slows as Quarterly Loss Surges to $1.1B by crunchlibrarian on Thursday November 15, 2018 @08:25AM (#18459031)
In finance the actual growth rate is rarely looked at that much, but the rate of change of the growth rate is scrutinized to the nth degree.
Re:Uber Revenue Slows as Quarterly Loss Surges to $1.1B by Latty on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:30PM (#18454777)
I mean, yes, but they are also throwing $1B at it each quarter, so is it really surprising that the expectations are high?
Re:Uber Revenue Slows as Quarterly Loss Surges to $1.1B by rightbyte on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:35PM (#18454826)
Exactly. If 38% is bad then I would like to know what Uber would need.

On the other hand, they are operating at a loss so increasing revenue just means they spend more money paying costumers to ride with them or eat with them. Only founding would limit the revenue growth when you are giving away stuff.

Re:Uber Revenue Slows as Quarterly Loss Surges to $1.1B by dragonwriter on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @06:28PM (#18455273)
> If 38% is bad then I would like to know what Uber would need.

Enough that their losses get smaller, rather than bigger.