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Re:People are “consistently inconsistent” in reasoning about... by roenxi on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @03:08PM (#18444417)
> and NOT TAKE THEIR MONEY

So by logical extension, a highly virtuous person would ... donate money to racist causes? Because that is the exact opposite of taking their donations.

There is always going to be one politician who has policies that are more racist-friendly than the other. Targeting specific groups for exclusion from the political process, even at the social level, is a recipe for disaster. We want less of that, not more.

At most, ask for transparency about where the donations are sourced from so the polity can talk about it.

Re:People are “consistently inconsistent” in reasoning about... by Erem on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @03:13AM (#18448355)
I think devonkim meant that politicians DO in fact have control over which deplorable supporters they get associated with in the public eye -- the politicians who accept donations from racist organizations are the racist politicians.
Re:People are “consistently inconsistent” in reasoning about... by roenxi on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @04:32PM (#18454188)
Firstly, that is not what devonkim said, so he probably doesn't mean that. Secondly, that is also wrong.

Trump is a good example of this sort of thing - a reporter just has to look at him sideways to get told that black unemployment is at a record low, and over the last 2 years he's pulled a couple of pro-black political stunts. About half the media will still call him a racist, because he has _no_ control over who he gets associated with.

I expect this point would come up in a debate so I'll address it - a 'Muslim travel ban' is only racist to someone who is very confused about what 'race' means. Given the pain Bush & Obama have delivered to the Middle East in particular, and the Muslim world in general, this is a distasteful but certainly not inconsistent choice for US foreign policy.

> politicians who accept donations from racist organizations are the racist politicians.

Maybe in the abstract, but who are there "racist organizations" that are making political donations to influence politicans? Assuming we are still talking US politics, the last scandal [0] involving the KKK (only racist organisation I know of) was in 1991! Everything since is literally throwaway one-line comments of no real significance.

I don't think racist organisations are active in politics, they'd make candidates unelectable.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_United_States_politi...

Re:People are “consistently inconsistent” in reasoning about... by devonkim on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @11:14AM (#18450950)
I didn’t downvote you because it makes sense if you believe taking money from organizations you dislike would hurt them. Not going to address whether it’s helpful or not because I have no basis to say one way or the other.

The issue is that such a model is based purely on economic grounds rather than on messaging and rhetoric. Accepting money usually implies a form of condonation of the donor because the implication is that you want their assistance. If I take money from the US Nazi party and sue them back (for... something) with said money that’d be complicated but this has happened rarely enough that popular media appears to never show it. This isn’t like a corporate entity like Burger King donating money to a candidate. But it would sure be funny if Burger King donated money to PETA right?

On the flip side, refusing money is usually assumed as a form of demonstration of principle that is even stronger the lesser your wealth; that even if you are poor and destitute (as if our politicians are, yeah I know) you would rather not accept money from someone you disagree with. If a homeless person returns a large sum of money, that makes news (and an ironically higher-compensation Kickstarter / gofundme for the refuser but historically not so). Politicians and powerful people in general work off networks and money as their careers so taking money from someone when you have so much wealth / fame already carries a lot of weight there as well.

Come to think of it, I think I saw someone accept a donation and immediately donate the money to a diametrically opposed organization. But that’s rare enough that it becomes a headline is my point.