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Re:People are “consistently inconsistent” in reasoning about... by robomartin on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @02:11PM (#18443854)
Except that global warming/climate change has now been distorted beyond recognition.

What most believe is no-longer aligned with reality:

- Read Google’s research report for the jaw-dropping reality they uncovered without intent

- Study ice core data

- Understand the concept of planetary scale rate of change

- Understand the fact —FACT— that if we had Captain Kirk erase the entire United States from this planet by trasporting everyone and everything into space CO2 accumulation would continue

- Understand that if we erased all of humanity next monday it would take somewhere in the order if 25,000 to 50,000 years for CO2 levels to drop 100ppm

- Now explain how much in resources and energy would be required to bend the planetary-scale rate-of-change of atmospheric CO2 from about 100 ppm per 50,000 years to 100 ppm in 50 year (a 1,000 x improvement over the natural process)

- Now explain how this massive amount of energy and resources will not produce massively more CO2 (and more)

- If you said “renewable energy” go back to the top and read the Google paper

This global warming thing has been turned into a political football by both sides. What’s sad is the truth isn’t at either end of the scale. Most people who now believe “the scientific truth” are believing sonething as false as those who deny it.

The Google paper is the starting point of something that should have shifted the dialog on the subject years ago. However, their conclusion doesn’t lead to easy money and raises more questions than it answers; a real invonvenient truth.

Re:People are “consistently inconsistent” in reasoning about... by robomartin on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @02:17PM (#18443912)
Re:People are “consistently inconsistent” in reasoning about... by aldoushuxley001 on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @03:49PM (#18444751)
So what's the jaw-dropping reality uncovered here?
Re:People are “consistently inconsistent” in reasoning about... by robomartin on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @02:27AM (#18448183)
Sorry, had to go do real work an the entire day flew by. Now I am on my phone and it won't let me copy and paste the relevant passage. I’ll try in the morning from my computer.

The finding, in a nutshell, was that if every source of clean energy was deployed optimally at a global scale, not only would atmospheric CO2 accumulation not stop, it would continue to rise exponentially.

Convert the entire planet to the most optimized versions of “green” energy sources and you pretty much fix nothing.

This is a sobering realization.

I urge you to read the paper, there’s a lot more detail there. They set out to prove renewables could “save the planet” only to discover it would be an exercise in futility.

Re:People are “consistently inconsistent” in reasoning about... by aldoushuxley001 on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @12:16PM (#18451543)
Thank you very much for that! I will definitely read into it. Good summary.

Here's a couple links you might be interested as well:

Audit of the main IPCC dataset: https://researchonline.jcu.edu.au/52041/

More readable summary of the audit: https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2018/10/13/main-temperat...

Thanks again for the heads up on google's report!

Re:People are “consistently inconsistent” in reasoning about... by aldoushuxley001 on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @11:38PM (#18447534)
What's jaw dropping about Google's research report?