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Re:Small robots may kill the tractor and make farming efficient by jacobush on Sunday November 11, 2018 @07:57PM (#18429823)
I wonder if the Communists just got bad timing. I am not saying Capitalism isn't better - but maybe they could have made it if they'd had robotics.
Re:Small robots may kill the tractor and make farming efficient by Iv on Sunday November 11, 2018 @09:24PM (#18430169)
Communism and capitalism will hopefully be made irrelevant by advanced robotics. A post-scarcity economics does not care much about structure of ownership of the means of production.
Re:Small robots may kill the tractor and make farming efficient by pacala on Sunday November 11, 2018 @10:02PM (#18430293)
Regrettably, there is no such thing as post-scarcity society. The exponential nature of biological reproduction ensures that no matter how much carrying capacity one builds, it will be filled to the brim in a geological blink of an eye.
Re:Small robots may kill the tractor and make farming efficient by Iv on Sunday November 11, 2018 @10:04PM (#18430299)
Hopefully a society that is liberated from the burden of work will devote much more time at understanding and solving its political problems and should see unchecked growth as an evil to fight. Especially if we also get very extended life expectancy.
Re:Small robots may kill the tractor and make farming efficient by thaumasiotes on Monday November 12, 2018 @03:47AM (#18431363)
There have been plenty of societies historically in which very little work was required in order to live normally.

What people did with the resulting free time was generally to make war on those nearby.

Re:Small robots may kill the tractor and make farming efficient by Iv on Monday November 12, 2018 @06:53AM (#18432055)
That's simply not true. Until recently agriculture was extremely labor intensive and only an elite caste could have free time.
Re:Small robots may kill the tractor and make farming efficient by thaumasiotes on Monday November 12, 2018 @03:19PM (#18435360)
You're thinking of agriculture north of the tropics.

But there have been many societies which

- didn't engage in agriculture at all, or

- engaged in tropical horticulture, which is low-effort

And those societies (plains Indians / Australian aborigines / sub-Saharan Bantu (they're farmers! But they're not labor-intensive farmers) / central Asian Turks and Mongols / etc. etc. etc...) are characterized by near-constant warfare.

Not all societies are ancestral to yours. Most aren't.

Re:Small robots may kill the tractor and make farming efficient by Iv on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @05:14AM (#18439940)
Do you have any source to your claim that these societies required little work?

And seriously, claiming that a society will engage in warfare by comparing it to an example that is as remote to it as possible in terms of technological development and culture (we do view warfare as negative, not all societies do and ours used to not do so) is not exactly convincing.

Re:Small robots may kill the tractor and make farming efficient by iguy on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @11:10AM (#18442022)
That pre-colonial farming in Africa required relatively few hours of labor is well-known. I don't have a great link but "female farming system" is a term to start from (seriously, I didn't make it up).

The reason, if I understand right, was that the limit on human population was set by disease not labor. In northern climates (where fewer of the diseases we evolved with thrive) instead the marginal farmer was on some stony hillside from which maximum effort could only just produce enough calories for winter.

I'm less sure whether such societies were involved in more warfare, it's possible (the men had time on their hands & soccer hadn't been invented...) but I don't know the data.

I also don't know how to extrapolate this to the future of our society.