Re:Small robots may kill the tractor and make farming efficient
by phkahler on Sunday November 11, 2018 @04:55PM
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Farming is already incredibly efficient. Anyone who wants it to be even more efficient is just a huge company wanting to rid their supply chain of humans entirely.
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Re:Small robots may kill the tractor and make farming efficient
by sidibe on Sunday November 11, 2018 @05:11PM
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Farming some things is efficient: wheat, soy, corn, etc. Most vegetables and fruit are still very, very labor intensive especially organic farms where you need a ton of labor just to deal with weeds.
Re:Small robots may kill the tractor and make farming efficient
by jsilence on Monday November 12, 2018 @11:16AM
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Vegetable and fruit are below 1% of the agricultural production by mass. The major parts are cereals, oil grains and tubers.
Re:Small robots may kill the tractor and make farming efficient
by djrobstep on Sunday November 11, 2018 @05:24PM
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Status quo modern farming is reliant on extremely large input of fossil fuels, there is plenty of scope for improvement in this regard.
At the moment modern agriculture is effectively making food out of oil.
Re:Small robots may kill the tractor and make farming efficient
by bobsil1 on Sunday November 11, 2018 @05:45PM
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Electric tractors/harvesters powered by solar on fallow fields?
Re:Small robots may kill the tractor and make farming efficient
by ahje on Monday November 12, 2018 @07:21AM
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The investment would be quite steep for a farmer that has already taken large loans in order to fund tractors. Many farmers simply don't have the margins. Some still drive around with 40 year-old machinery because buying modern equipment is too expensive.
I don't _like_ the proposed idea of farming as a service, but the fact is that I think it's one of the few ways we have to modernize small-scale farms in the less developed parts of the Western World.
Re:Small robots may kill the tractor and make farming efficient
by ip26 on Monday November 12, 2018 @12:18AM
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You skipped right past petroleum fertilizer.
Re:Small robots may kill the tractor and make farming efficient
by phil248 on Sunday November 11, 2018 @06:10PM
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"Anyone who wants it to be even more efficient..."
...is a reasonable person, far as I can tell. Or is there an upper limit on desired efficiency?
Re:Small robots may kill the tractor and make farming efficient
by phkahler on Sunday November 11, 2018 @07:54PM
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touche. But I do believe there are upper limits on desired efficiency in some cases. I'm not a fan of eliminating jobs in all cases. In agriculture I'm not a fan of consolidation and I see the endgame as a few huge companies owning most of the farmland in the US (most of the land) and all those jobs going away. So I guess I'm not against efficiency so much as consolidation of power and ownership. Perhaps one day we'll all have our own robotic gardener, but I doubt it.
Re:Small robots may kill the tractor and make farming efficient
by jsilence on Monday November 12, 2018 @11:32AM
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The limits of crop production (also) by Prof. Bugbee (don't remember the main author) might be a good starting point for venturing into this question.
Re:Small robots may kill the tractor and make farming efficient
by rolltopdesk on Sunday November 11, 2018 @08:00PM
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There are fertile areas that don’t lend themselves to current technologies because they’re too hilly. So you could perhaps increase efficiency in those places without impacting efficiency in plains areas that are combine heaven.
Re:Small robots may kill the tractor and make farming efficient
by iguy on Sunday November 11, 2018 @05:10PM
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Growing corn or wheat is indeed super-efficient in its use of human labor. But pretty wasteful in topsoil, chemicals, energy. And other crops (like fruit, or herbs) are much more labor-intensive. So that's two directions where it would be great to get more efficient.
Re:Small robots may kill the tractor and make farming efficient
by ggggtez on Sunday November 11, 2018 @05:16PM
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I'm sure they would have said the same thing when the Aquaduct was invented. Anyone who wants to stop companies from becoming more efficient should carefully analyze what they are trying to prevent, and fix that problem more directly.
Re:Small robots may kill the tractor and make farming efficient
by phkahler on Monday November 12, 2018 @07:41AM
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>> Anyone who wants to stop companies from becoming more efficient should carefully analyze what they are trying to prevent, and fix that problem more directly.
Thanks. I reached the same conclusion in my response to another comment here. More efficient farming is good. What I foresee happening as a result may not be so good. You are right to suggest separating the issues.