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Re:Facebook chooses Canada for Dating feature launch by dgzl on Friday November 09, 2018 @05:48PM (#18418688)
Within, you'll find both facts and my own opinions.

I believe that, in the beginning, Tinder shocked women because they a) were reaffirmed that they were held in high value, and b) a subset of men will ruin a good chance (i.e. matching with someone) by sending unwanted dickpicks or just bring gross.

Over time, women felt jaded while also being put on a pedestal, a confusing situation no doubt. Now it's women's responsibility to avoid that, and they do so by being very selective with who they swipe on. As another commenter said, only the top percentage of men will regularly get matches while majority of women will easily match. (Anecdotal experience of mine and friends I talk with)

This leads to men having to liberally swipe right, while women can be very selective. At the same time, cultural standards say men have to be the first ones to message when a match occurs, which furthers the disadvantage, and requires even more work from men before a connection is even made. And if your message doesn't meet the usually high bar, then too bad sucker. Even if you do, there's a decent chance you'll get ghosted after a few messages. I won't even go into the societal norms of men having to pay for the dates. (mostly because this is slightly shifting)

Not to mention some of the seriously rude things I've found from the experience: "I'll always Love my dog more than you", "queen of xyz", "you better be this tall with this size of d!@$", direct racism against both black and white folks, saying "you have to put in more work than just saying hi" but then gives minimal effort in return. I also see a lot of "I love honestly, respect, love, kindness", being virtuous essentially, but then interacting with them gives me the entirely opposite vibe.

OKC is a different bag of nonsense. They've really screwed the messaging system recently. First you have to "like" someone before you can message them, then you get one message to send before their profile disappears from you -unless- they like/message you back. If you made an error or forgot something in your initial message, too bad. If you want to talk with someone without "liking" them, too bad. Further, the message you send doesn't even end up in their inbox- the message replaces your profile card when you're searching the general pool. (I.e. the recieving party didn't get an alert when they have a message, they have to stumble across it on the website)

Essentially, it feels like women hold all the chips for interaction, but they're also not being considerate about how they play the game. Both application boundaries and social boundaries give women the winning favor in online and regular dating. I believe there's an art for men to matching with women in the modern day, but I also believe that's it's based on a lot of shallow crap that women shouldn't be looking for in the first place.

Re:Facebook chooses Canada for Dating feature launch by gammateam on Friday November 09, 2018 @07:08PM (#18419089)
I used to take 100-level electives in college, just to meet attractive women. It also fulfilled criteria for my degree and general interests, but I could have taken the 200-level class where-in-which all the attractive women had already transferred out of the school, dropped out, or found a husband and dropped out. Also note, this form of attraction was just as visual as the dating apps are today and there is a night and day difference with who remains.

I now take 100-level courses and also meet attractive women in a variety of age ranges. Many of them are there for recreation too.

Try doing something extracurricular where women would also have a common interest.

I don't get "swiped-right" on dating apps. I can still go out with the most attractive woman in a room. And by attractive, I mean visually attractive by male consensus, just like what is experienced both ways on dating apps.

Re:Facebook chooses Canada for Dating feature launch by dgzl on Friday November 09, 2018 @08:08PM (#18419322)
Don't get me wrong, I have great luck interacting with women in person. The online service is supposed to make it easier for people to meet, but quite honestly, that doesn't earn money. The plan becomes to make it difficult on purpose, then sell you features that take away some difficulty.
Re:Facebook chooses Canada for Dating feature launch by gammateam on Friday November 09, 2018 @08:32PM (#18419409)
Yeah, its kind of interesting how the cultural nuances of talking about dating frustrations is what allows these dating apps to function this way, leaving a large underserved audience.
Re:Facebook chooses Canada for Dating feature launch by scrollaway on Friday November 09, 2018 @05:57PM (#18418730)
I met a few friends and two ex-girlfriends on OKC and, after returning to online dating recently, I am shocked by how garbage it has become. It definitely used to be a community / social network where conversations were less casual and more in-depth.

It wasn't even elitist or anything, it's just straight up you would actually talk with someone and find out a lot about them before meeting up. Now it's… ergh. Now it's Tinder with a couple of slightly different features.

Does anything like the old OKC still exist? I remember there were a lot of alternatives even back then that were trying to be niche-oriented but AFAIK they all died to make room for OKC.

Re:Facebook chooses Canada for Dating feature launch by purerandomness on Saturday November 10, 2018 @07:07AM (#18421003)
It went downhill since OKC sold out to eHarmony
Re:Facebook chooses Canada for Dating feature launch by 121789 on Friday November 09, 2018 @06:02PM (#18418755)
Have you tried hinge or bumble? They address a few you of the issues you outlined.
Re:Facebook chooses Canada for Dating feature launch by ardit33 on Friday November 09, 2018 @06:39PM (#18418961)
Bumble is supposed to solve the problem, by allowing the women to make the first move, but 90% of first messages are: "Hi", "Hey", or "How is it going", and the ball is on you court again to keep the convo going.

My friends using it are having the same experience.

Re:Facebook chooses Canada for Dating feature launch by Foivos on Saturday November 10, 2018 @11:54AM (#18422137)
Saying "Hi" is a relatively good case. They bothered to type two characters. In my case, I have received a few times, a single dot (".") as their first message.
Re:Facebook chooses Canada for Dating feature launch by dgzl on Friday November 09, 2018 @09:11PM (#18419553)
Honestly, this fits my experience as well.
Re:Facebook chooses Canada for Dating feature launch by dgzl on Friday November 09, 2018 @06:11PM (#18418794)
I've had even less luck on bumble, actually, along with less women that I personally am interested in.