Re:Using a Keras Long Short-Term Memory Model to Predict Sto...
by jwiley on Friday November 09, 2018 @01:45PM
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Can you clarify why "the target series should be log-normal returns" is important or provide a pointer for more information?
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Re:Using a Keras Long Short-Term Memory Model to Predict Sto...
by jpeterson on Friday November 09, 2018 @02:05PM
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Investment markets operate on relative gain, not absolute gain. E.g.: if you invest in a stock and it gains $5, this would be a great return for a $1 stock but a poor one for a $1000 stock, so the absolute gain doesn't mean anything on its own. A 5% return always means that you've gained 5% on your investment.
Re:Using a Keras Long Short-Term Memory Model to Predict Sto...
by ak39 on Friday November 09, 2018 @03:21PM
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Would it be the same (valid) with percentage returns?
Re:Using a Keras Long Short-Term Memory Model to Predict Sto...
by goodside on Friday November 09, 2018 @04:04PM
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Less so. Log-normal returns are better because they have the property that a summation of log-normal returns over contiguous intervals is equal to the log-normal returns of the combined interval. In other words: Losing 5% and then gaining 5% doesn’t put you back at exactly 100%, and log-normal fixes that.
Re:Using a Keras Long Short-Term Memory Model to Predict Sto...
by theothermkn on Friday November 09, 2018 @10:01PM
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In the extreme, two successive trades, where the first gains 110% and the second loses 100%, “average” out to a 5% return. However, you don’t want to make that pair of trades.
Re:Using a Keras Long Short-Term Memory Model to Predict Sto...
by ak39 on Friday November 09, 2018 @11:39PM
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Ah, that makes sense. Many thanks.
Re:Using a Keras Long Short-Term Memory Model to Predict Sto...
by colinchartier on Friday November 09, 2018 @02:06PM
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I think their point is that predicting that "the stock will go up by 1$" or "the stock will go down by 1$" is worse than "the stock will go up by 0.05%" and "the stock will go down by 0.05%" because of this little paradox:
50$ increase from 50$ is 100% increase 50$ decrease from 100$ is 50% decrease
e.g., if the model finds 50$ increase/decreases, that actually corresponds to very different wealth changes
Re:Using a Keras Long Short-Term Memory Model to Predict Sto...
by bigmit37 on Saturday November 10, 2018 @01:48PM
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Thank you.
Re:Using a Keras Long Short-Term Memory Model to Predict Sto...
by jdmichal on Friday November 09, 2018 @02:28PM
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Well, just at a minimum... There's the fact that the majority of large gains and losses exist over single-day frames. That is, guessing "right" or "wrong" on movement means little when one slip on the wrong day will decimate your returns.