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Re:Amazon Execs Addressed Concerns About Rekognition/ICE at ... by vorpalhex on Thursday November 08, 2018 @06:38PM (#18411044)
> we feel really great and really strongly about the value that Amazon Rekognition is providing our customers of all sizes and all types of industries in law enforcement

Translation: "We are making so much money that we have entirely sold our ethics and will continue doing whatever makes us more money."

Re:Amazon Execs Addressed Concerns About Rekognition/ICE at ... by Nacraile on Thursday November 08, 2018 @06:53PM (#18411149)
They haven't sold their ethics because they didn't have those ethics in the first place, and haven't ever seriously tried to pretend otherwise. Amazon is pretty transparently in business to make money, with little regard for anything else. The closest thing they have to ethics is "Customer Obsession", but even that is explicitly justified as a means to maximize long-term profit.

I really don't know how this response surprised any of their employees (as a previous employee, it certainly does not surprise me). Those who can't abide it oughtn't work there; this isn't something that is going to be changed from the inside.

Re:Amazon Execs Addressed Concerns About Rekognition/ICE at ... by CobrastanJorji on Thursday November 08, 2018 @06:50PM (#18411127)
I mean, yeah. Amazon's been doing that for a long time.

Back in the day, Amazon was very fond of repeating over and over that customer trust and customer loyalty was the very most important thing. Customers absolutely had to know that if they ordered something on Amazon, the right product would arrive on time. A data leak would be seen as an existential crisis. Shipping the wrong product was a customer service emergency.

Then Amazon found out how much money it could make from being a third party marketplace and mostly just giving up on quality control. Now nobody has nearly the confidence that the thing they're buying is a real thing. Is that USB-C cable gonna work with your phone? Who knows? Amazon doesn't. But they'll be happy to sell it to you.

Turns out that whole "customer first" thing was more of a temporary tactic more than it was any sort of moral grounding. It was a great tactic. It got Amazon to #1 from an era where nobody trusted eCommerce. But they dropped it once they didn't need it.

Remember, Amazon's the place that kicked a political organization off of their cloud with no notice because Senator Lieberman placed a quick phone call to Jeff Bezos and suggested it'd help him win GovCloud if he did.

Re:Amazon Execs Addressed Concerns About Rekognition/ICE at ... by notyourwork on Thursday November 08, 2018 @07:01PM (#18411197)
This generalization is a bit over dramatic. Not everyone has problems just because hackernews has articles about mixed lots and other quality concerns. If it was as bad as you say they would not be pulling in the amount of revenue they are.
Re:Amazon Execs Addressed Concerns About Rekognition/ICE at ... by ergothus on Thursday November 08, 2018 @06:49PM (#18411121)
What is it about executive-speak? I entered the Google announcement about changes in their sexual harassment with a bad feeling because it started with a very executive-sounding statement that actually left me surprised with what followed.

If language creates this negative reaction, isn't that the opposite of the desired result? Or am I just particularly skeptical?

Re:Amazon Execs Addressed Concerns About Rekognition/ICE at ... by kopo on Thursday November 08, 2018 @07:25PM (#18411371)
Executive speak is designed for minimal fallout. But it has other deeper value in maintaining power structures and internal org stability.

Any deviations and rumblings from within the hierarchy become very easy to identify if they don't use the same language.

Re:Amazon Execs Addressed Concerns About Rekognition/ICE at ... by nartz on Thursday November 08, 2018 @07:14PM (#18411294)
Disagree. The technology is out there, if its not amazon, its going to be someone else.