I don't know your situation, but can empathize. In my state, you have to see a pain specialist and jump through the hoops on a regular basis. For me, opioids dulled the pain at night enough to sleep, but, they won't regularly prescribe it for my condition because, "it doesn't work."

I eventually found a doctor that prescribed low-dose naltrexone[1] (not a controlled substance) in 2mg/night doses and the pain has dropped from a nightly 8-9.9 to about a 6 or 7 except when there's a flare-up, and the next day I'm not in as much pain until later in the day. Still sucks, but I can eventually get to sleep. I have no idea how long it will work (I've found many pain meds eventually stop working for me) but for now, one day at a time...

1 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3962576/

I'm sorry to hear this. I have a friend that works in a hospital ER and she says they rarely allow opioids even for broken bones and for post-op recovery these days, unless it's something like a back or neck surgery. Even then, many of the ER docs have started only prescribing "Extra Strength Tylenol" or NSAIDs (which are notoriously damaging to your system, as is Acetaminophen (Tylenol)). It's a sad state we find ourselves in these days.

It is a shame that doctors have now started leaving patients suffer out of fear of addiction. Surely there has to be a middle ground? I feel there is a risk they go too far and by not addressing pain in people they put those people at higher risk of doing desperate things like take other drugs available on the black market. I hate the feeling you get off opiods. But when I threw my back out over the counter medications did not even come close to touching the pain. It truly was crippling. Doctors would not give me anything but a family member had a handful of I forget what now but it was a prescription opiod of some type from a past surgery and it was the only thing that would even take a dent out of the pain. When my back came back I immediately stopped taking anything for it. But I truly do fear it happening again. I know I won't be able to access stronger pain medications if I have it happen again.

Have you tried CBD? I run a CBD company and I'd be happy to send you some products with no strings attached.

I’ve been on a Kratom regimen as well and tried CBD a few times but it didn’t seem to relieve the pain for me. What do you think of this article that came out the other day: https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2018/11/1/18024806/cbd-oil-vap...

As a consumer of CBD myself, I don't think it's a scam. I also don't believe it's a miracle drug that solves every problem. What I do think is that it has a remarkable safety profile. If you experience chronic pain, you should probably try CBD before opioids. The side-effects of CBD are pretty limited (be careful though as all interactions are unknown) compared to other pharmaceuticals used to treat the same symptoms. In other words, I don't think CBD is remarkable because of its effects. Morphine is a way better pain killer. I think CBD is special because you can take it for a long time without the same risks.

If you send me an email at [email protected] . I'd be happy to send you some samples as well.

That is a very kind offer, thank you!

I tried quite a few different strains of Cannabis but wasn't able to find anything that worked for me. Some high CBD strains did help a bit, but it was a mild help. It also wore off within an hour or two so I had to redose constantly, which wasn't feasible at work.

Would oil be much different than a high CBD flower?

Oral consumption generally provides longer lasting effects but have a smaller impact. Send me an email to [email protected] and I'll send you a couple different things. I'd love to see if any of them work for you. I can't promise they will but if they do, it's a lot safer than some of the alternatives.

Me uncle had cancer. No pain relievers worked, other than CBD.

Feel free to email at [email protected] if you or your uncle would want to try some of our products.

I appreciate the gesture!

My uncle passed away. The cancer kept reoccurring which was due to mutations (gene-related). My uncle's isn't related to me blood-wise, but his sons are. They have the same gene. I, AFAIK, don't have that gene. My uncle grew his own marihuana (within Dutch legal limits) because he got cancer. Before that, not.

I'm a proponent of medical marihuana however I've became an opponent of recreational marihuana usage. I am very sensitive to drugs in general and had a few psychoses in the past on marihuana (recreational usage though).

We're from The Netherlands and my father had MS and could've used medical marihuana back in the days (90's and 00's) to relax his muscles better. He declined because he was against marihuana in general. Given my uncle's positive experience, and gives I know it can work, that's saddening.

Also, I've recently started using Prozac (to make me less oversensitive; I have autism). It works, but I need to be careful with other drugs (even alcohol). I use an oxazepam when I need a needle because I have anxiety for needles.

That being said, I'm glad there's a change of breeze regarding marihuana in the world and in the USA.

Oh man, what kind of conditions causes this kind of pain?

There are surprisingly quite a few. In my case I have issues with discs in my spine and neck.

Sometimes it can be an autoimmune condition like multiple sclerosis or rheumatoid arthritis. Sometimes it can be downright mysterious such as many cases of fibromyalgia.

Mild sciatica is kind of funny but if you get a badly pinched nerve it is excruciating.

Opiates turned off the pain for 2 hours out of three, and for a third hour I suffered. I did not get a full night's sleep for 6 weeks.

Severe pain makes your life a living hell and is responsible for a lot of suicides.

I don't take pain killers now because my back got better, but I have other needs for controversial medications. It is a life of constant anxiety as the government keeps changing the rules. You never know from one appointment to the next whether the system will throw you under the bus again.

second time I hear about kratom this month, do you know studies, or scientific review of it ?

It's possible that your pain doctor was great, but that doesn't subtract from the fact that there are doctors who act like glorified drug-dealers who prescribe oxy if you mention you've ever had a headache, and the only way that I can see to fix this is to start monitoring this more thoroughly.

I feel bad for people in your situation, but I feel like increased scrutiny is sort of a necessary evil. I got a vasectomy a couple years back, and despite me feeling nothing but a bit of soreness for two days, my doctor wrote my a prescription for 45 days of codeine. I didn't take them out of fear of it becoming a problem, but someone less informed could seriously be hurt by that.

To me this is essentially your argument: I have to suffer with excruciating pain because somebody else might make a bad decision or lack self-control, and my pain is worth it just in case it helps somebody else (evidence is lacking there anyway. Prescriptions have dropped precipitously, but opioid deaths are still rising).

Would it change your viewpoint at all to know that a lot of chronic pain patients are now committing suicide rather than face a life where they are bed-ridden and dependent on a loved one for care? And all they need is a medication and they could have some quality of life? What about the people who have been responsible with their prescriptions but are now forced to buy potentially deadly black-market opioids like heroin and fentanyl from a dealer that is surely less concerned about their health and safety than their doctor, if they want relief?

That is extremely non-compassionate. I would never wish that on you or anyone else.

I don't think that is what you are trying to say, but I struggle to see how your logic doesn't ultimately reduce to that.

Edit (after thinking more): your example of the codeine is definitely a good example of over-subscribing, but my dad had a vasectomy that ended up being a horrible recovery. Luckily he was able to sit on the couch with a bag of ice under his balls and watch football for a week, but the man was in some serious discomfort.

I tend to think education is the answer. Teach people about the risks, and then give them freedom to decide. If we boil society and our laws down to never requiring or allowing people to take responsibility for their own actions and decisions, then we end up in a bad place IMHO.

I appreciate your edit.

Please understand, and maybe I didn't make this terribly clear, but I am not saying I'm against people taking painkillers when needed. Obviously if you have crippling pain of course you should get pills. "Monitoring Doctors More" does not equate to "ban opiodes" any more than saying saying "regulating business" equates to "no business". There's a middle-ground here.

I'd also like to point out that I don't think I'm being non-compassionate in this case. Living in NY I get to see the terror of severe drug addiction every single day when I see (certain) homeless people. It seems "non-compassionate" to me to reduce all of life-crippling addiction to "making a bad decision or lacking self-control".

While some people have more addictive personalities than others, the stronger opiodes are addictive enough to ruin lives. It's easy to dismiss this as "people without self control", but I can almost guarantee that someone in your slightly-extended family has had severe problems with opiodes.

It may surprise you to learn that very few (about 2%) of people who use prescription opioids end up abusing them [1]. Also, there is also no correlation (let alone causation) between lower prescribing rates and lower overdose rates [2].

[1] https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/21/the-myth-...

[2] https://www.painnewsnetwork.org/stories/2018/10/30/overdoses...

There were similar observations after the Vietnam war. Many soldiers were opiate addicts over there but the vast majority quit when they returned home and were no longer in the hell of combat.

Any level of scrutiny is going to leave some untreated who need it and some people getting it frivolously and perhaps getting addicted. The question is the role of individual responsibility and where the balance lies.

I totally agree with, "It seems 'non-compassionate' to me to reduce all of life-crippling addiction to 'making a bad decision or lacking self-control'." But I disagree that being prescribed opioids is a primary factor here. Many people with addiction issues, particularly homeless, are suffering from other mental health issues as well. They often abuse many substance both legal and illegal.

I think it's perfectly reasonable and appropriate for doctors to screen for these sorts of things before prescribing. However I also think making treatment for addiction more available and affordable is a better remediation strategy than having law enforcement monitor and scrutinize every act to the point where doctors are afraid to prescribe, even to patients in need.

We end up in a worse place societally if we go with line of least resistance every time. "Education and freedom to decide" results in patients asking for antibiotics for everything from a common cold upwards, and opiates for every headache and broken bone which has major consequences for everyone. Upto and including the end of the antibiotic era and stories of needless opiate epidemics.

A couple of weeks of serious discomfort, especially if a clearly temporary condition, is not something to be erased at every opportunity. It is a normal part of injury and healing and something we should not necessarily expect to automatically numb out of existence with drugs. Which is broadly what the surgeon and medical folks told me after my operation (for something else though). Along with the suggestion to try a couple of Nurofen, but to come back and talk about if it remains too much. I got ONE dose of something opiate based, the morning after. For everything else I was frankly expected to expect serious discomfort that will go away in time. It did, though my rate of swearing rose quite remarkably for a week or two. :)

For chronic conditions where nothing else has worked of course they should be available. After an appropriate level of counselling and warning of the ratcheting down of effect and addictive consequences of extended use. Which suggests a prescription regime that treads lightly down that path. Offer 2 or 3 days of opiates first and explore every avenue before they become a daily medication that you will end up addicted to.

Freedom to decide is what risks ruining it for all, including those chronic patients who have no working alternatives, as their only option becomes hidden behind a layer of freely chosen, but needless addiction. That means it's necessarily slower for those in real need to get enough coverage and dosage, but hopefully only those that truly need end up on a daily dose.

> antibiotics

There is a difference in the case of antibiotics because of the issue of drug resistance.

Most of the harm to others from opiate addiction is a secondary effect from the illegality of non-prescription drugs, leading to crime. There is no fundamental reason why someone else being an addict should be harmful to you, apart from your feelings of compassion for them.

>I feel bad for people in your situation, but I feel like increased scrutiny is sort of a necessary evil.

Or we dont torture people just because you dont like the possibility, that people could use drugs recreationally. What you describe can easily be avoided with a mandatory explanation by your doctor of the consequences of opioid consumption.

I do disagree with OP, I am hard pressed to see this as well meaning concerns. On the contrary, from my point of view thats pretty close to simply being cruel and to use the term -

Evil. Plain and simply.

It might be a more socially acceptable explanation then centuries of "pain medication is evil, because it interferes with gods will for you to suffer" but it remains the same arrogant disregard for your fellow men.

This might sound overly aggressive to you, but I think it is absolutely necessary to call it out for what it is.

You are willing to let people suffer. You are ok with your decision meaning literal torture fro them. Because you are disconnected from the horrible effect your decision would have. We life in a democracy, careless public outcry leads to real life effects.

Its pretty damn easy to voice your displeasure of being confronted with addicts if you are not the one suffering. And this careless disregard for human life has real life consequences for people whose life are already horrible.

And it is the same shit every few decades. People who are willing to accept "the necessary evil" because they are not the victims.

The world hasnt recovered from the last moral crusade against opioids and the same shit is starting again.

https://www.aljazeera.com/video/africa/2014/04/uganda-legali...

If only everyone needing pain meds had a baseball size tumor to proof that they are "legitimate patients"

There is in fact a middle ground where we help doctors find out if a patient is actually an abuse risk. Providing doctors with better insights into their patients through things like Prescription Drug Monitoring Programs (PDMPs) and easier access to information from law enforcement can allow them to better make judgement calls. Also clearer access to doctors' prescribing data and the patients it relates to can allow states to better understand who to actually investigate as over prescribing as opposed to doctors who just have a disproportionate amount of patients in need of pain management.

Under the current regime, doctors are not allowed to use judgement. Doctors face ruination of their career, even criminal prosecution, if law enforcement disagrees with them.

Doctors therefore do the obvious thing to protect themselves - they don't prescribe opiods.