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Re:“A Horrifically Bad Idea”: Smartphone Voting Is Coming by 0x8BADF00D on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @12:50PM (#18400772)
> I think this understanding is common, but it's totally incorrect and is part of the larger project to get fewer people to vote.

Which is what the Founding Fathers intended. The word “democracy” does not exist anywhere in the Constitution or Declaration of Independence. As Ben Franklin put it, we have a republic, if we can keep it. We have done a terrible job at that.

Re:“A Horrifically Bad Idea”: Smartphone Voting Is Coming by dragonwriter on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @12:55PM (#18400811)
> Which is what the Founding Fathers intended.

Even if that was true (and most generalizations about the Founding Father's aren't because they were a diverse group with often diametrically opposed intentions), “what the Founding Father's intended” (other than some role in the legal interpretation of text of laws written by them, including the Constitution) ought not have any special weight.

Re:“A Horrifically Bad Idea”: Smartphone Voting Is Coming by 0x8BADF00D on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @01:06PM (#18400906)
Fair enough. But you need only look to history for examples to see the ultimate outcome of populism or democracy. It leads either to tyranny or total societal collapse. So I don’t agree with the notion that everyone should vote.
Re:“A Horrifically Bad Idea”: Smartphone Voting Is Coming by dragonwriter on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @01:14PM (#18400970)
It's at least equally, if not more, accurate to say “you need only look to history for examples to see the ultimate outcome of limiting franchise, whether de jure or de facto, to a group that views themselves as the right kind of people to rule over everyone else. It leads either to tyranny or total societal collapse, and usually both in one order or the other.” So, I don't agree with the notion that only the “right people” should participate in their government.
Re:“A Horrifically Bad Idea”: Smartphone Voting Is Coming by hcg on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @08:44PM (#18403808)
Except the US was founded on the idea of a limited franchise.
Re:“A Horrifically Bad Idea”: Smartphone Voting Is Coming by hcg on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @08:43PM (#18403803)
But you should right?
Re:“A Horrifically Bad Idea”: Smartphone Voting Is Coming by aeturnum on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @12:53PM (#18400796)
I do think that the constitution is a fundamentally undemocratic document!

But I disagree that this particular discourse is in the tradition of the founding fathers' concerns about popular opinion.

Their project to prevent "the unwashed masses" from expressing themselves came in the form of limiting enfranchisement to white man with property. They would have vehemently disagreed with the idea that those propertied white men should worry a lot about being ignorant and only vote if they were sure they had properly prepared!

Re:“A Horrifically Bad Idea”: Smartphone Voting Is Coming by hcg on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @08:42PM (#18403801)
A republic which partially uses representative democracy, but mostly exists to ensure power to the landowning minority. Nowadays it's not about land of course, but it still exists to serve the wants of the powerful and only the powerful.

Even the one part that was supposed to be actually representative isn't.

Start over. No more senate. Elected president. Representative parliament.