News for hackers. Stuff that matters.

A comment on Signs you are doing continuous testing wrong.

Re:Signs you are doing continuous testing wrong by macca321 on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @11:45AM (#18400308)
'Test Pyramid' considered harmful IMO. It discourages people from writing tests against the public interface of their system , and instead encourages testing against internals.

This leads to a test pack that prevents refactoring, and can't be trusted to catch regression errors.

This is partly down to the widely confused definition of a 'unit test' (which a lot of people interpret as 'one test per class').

If you haven't seen it, please watch Ian Cooper's "TDD, Where Did It All Go Wrong" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ05e7EMOLM

Also, I thought continuous testing was having your test pack run all the time while coding, but hey ho.

[ Parent | on HN ]
Re:Signs you are doing continuous testing wrong by TarpitCarnivore on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @01:59PM (#18401281)
TBH I feel like integration and UI tests can be combined at this point. Writing a bunch of tests to only check UI elements feels like a waste to me. I don't mean to go full on BDD where every step is spec'd out, but I've done it by interacting with elements and validating data with the API.
[ Parent | on HN ]