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Re:Facial recognition system risks 'chilling effect' on free... by bsenftner on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @11:25AM (#18400151)
Speaking as a lead developer of a leading FR system, in the majority of cases, the FR user is a private organization with large public traffic: department stores, malls, schools, universities, stadiums, and yes: municipalities (cities). The majority of the purpose clients use FR: 1) commercial users such as stores and malls have serious problems with organized theft; 2) schools, universities, stadiums and municipalities use them for public safety, the people in their galleries are people who have made actual threats and active fugitives; The use of FR by police is very infrequent, as they simply (sad to say) don't seem to have access to technical competence to actually use the systems. And then there is the glaring fact that when deployed, the majority of FR systems they go unused simply because understanding how to use the FR system requires more time than anyone there has. Some "integrator" installs with a weak understanding of their purpose, and then it collects dust.
Re:Facial recognition system risks 'chilling effect' on free... by motohagiography on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @11:45AM (#18400311)
"Active fugitives." Here, the way drivers find out about adminiatrative license suspensions are police ALPR cameras on patrol cars alert cops to pull people over and charge them, causing them to pay for a tow, among other consequences.

Presumably these "fugitives" include parents with kids at the stadium who are behind on support payments or have outstanding parking fines, or perhaps something else that will initiate a high risk police encounter that will at best disadvantage them in a background check?

I've worked in privacy policy in government and the people building FR techs are equipping monkeys with guns.

Sure, someone else will do it, but at least weapons manufacturers have rules about who they can sell to.

Re:Facial recognition system risks 'chilling effect' on free... by bsenftner on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @01:04PM (#18400888)
To a degree, I agree it is monkeys being given guns. Guns they can't load, don't know where the trigger is, and are pointed at blank walls. I see great hesitation from all private/corporate users to allow any access to their FR galleries or system by outsiders. Partially it is to cover that they don't know how to use it, using it "never seems to work" (because they don't bother to read the manual, view the videos, or really anything. It's shocking.)

I think we'll get regulation of gallery sharing, which will effectively halt the ability for total surveillance.

Everyone assumes this tech is much better than it actually is. For media, treating it like an end to freedom is good for their click-revenues. But in actuality, FR is a kinda weak sensor that needs to be backed with additional identifying technologies to be practical. Defeating FR is childs' play. Even the very best...