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Re:Inside Tesla’s factory, a medical clinic designed to igno... by aplummer on Tuesday November 06, 2018 @07:08PM (#18396077)
This is an unrealistic absolutist argument in any realistic view of the modern world with actual governments especially given the extreme excess of resources on earth to provide everyone with good medical care.

“Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care…”[1]

[1] Article 25 UN Declaration of Human Rights

Re:Inside Tesla’s factory, a medical clinic designed to igno... by conanbatt on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @02:51AM (#18397664)
The right to acquire it or the right to get it from someone else?
Re:Inside Tesla’s factory, a medical clinic designed to igno... by aplummer on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @03:07AM (#18397720)
The right to it even if you are mentally ill, broke, bad at decision making or all of the above.

My point is definitely that you have an obligation to provide society funding for healthcare even if they don’t pay. Just like the military will defend them even if they don’t pay, or a firefighter will put out their house.

Re:Inside Tesla’s factory, a medical clinic designed to igno... by conanbatt on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @10:25AM (#18399707)
> The right to it even if you are mentally ill, broke, bad at decision making or all of the above.

The right to be provided something is the right to take from someone else. There is no escape to this, its a right that infringes on the right of others.

Theft cannot be a human right, and i would strongly reject anyone that defends such a thing, including the UN.

Re:Inside Tesla’s factory, a medical clinic designed to igno... by aplummer on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @10:52AM (#18399894)
I understand now, when firefighters save homeless people, the homeless people are stealing from others.

This thread is going nowhere, you clearly value money more than the health of people less fortunate than you. Systemic poverty and sick people, who cares right.

Re:Inside Tesla’s factory, a medical clinic designed to igno... by conanbatt on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @02:21PM (#18401485)
I value liberty above everything else, partly because without liberty everything else also goes away.

You mention a trade-off with money and health, but the very idea of taking from some to give another is a violent expression. You might justify to yourself that is fine to rob and murder for the sakes of others. Others will think the same way.

Re:Inside Tesla’s factory, a medical clinic designed to igno... by aplummer on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @06:25PM (#18403212)
Liberty for privileged people like yourself not born with disability or systemic poverty. Thanks for proving my point.

I’m no longer participating in this thread, and won’t read any replies.