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Re:SoftBank’s debt obsession by spelunker on Tuesday November 06, 2018 @03:30PM (#18394659)
If you think the S&P consistently returns ~9.7% per year every year, you are mistaken.
Re:SoftBank’s debt obsession by User23 on Tuesday November 06, 2018 @03:41PM (#18394728)
Pretty close actually. https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/investing/average-stock-mark...

Edit: Anyone want to clue me in on what the downvotes are for here?

Re:SoftBank’s debt obsession by soVeryTired on Tuesday November 06, 2018 @06:30PM (#18395814)
The Nikkei 225 is still down from 20 years ago. Its fate is a very plausible alternative history for the S&P.
Re:SoftBank’s debt obsession by verbify on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @04:04AM (#18397953)
Taking into account reinvested dividends, it's given an annualised return of 3.5% in the past 20 years. Source:

https://dqydj.com/nikkei-return-calculator-dividend-reinvest...

Re:SoftBank’s debt obsession by spelunker on Tuesday November 06, 2018 @05:52PM (#18395616)
From that article:

"While 10% might be the average, the returns in any given year are far from average. In fact, between 1926 and 2014, returns were in that “average” band of 8% to 12% only six times."

So if you are investing on borrowed money with a guaranteed payout of 7% a year, that is not good for you.

Re:SoftBank’s debt obsession by Simon_says on Tuesday November 06, 2018 @05:47PM (#18395600)
The key is consistently.

The S&P 500 returns are wildly variant, and the 9~ % only comes from averaging a century of growth. Whole decades might see a loss.

Re:SoftBank’s debt obsession by TomVDB on Tuesday November 06, 2018 @07:00PM (#18396014)
Based on numbers here: https://seekingalpha.com/article/2789035-s-and-p-500-index-r...

1940-1950: 9.3%/y

1950-1960: 20.0%/y

1960-1970: 7.7%/y

1970-1980: 5.9%/y

1980-1990: 17.2%/y

1990-2000: 18.2%/y

2000-2010: -1.0%/y

So only decade with negative growth.

Add in the depression and you'll probably see a bunch more...

Re:SoftBank’s debt obsession by fujimotos on Saturday November 10, 2018 @02:05AM (#18420300)
You need to consider inflation. In 1970, the inflation rate was 7-8%/y on average, so the "growth" these numbers imply did not exist in reality.