Instant runoff voting is the system we need

Re:Instant runoff voting is the system we need by SilasX on Tuesday November 06, 2018 @03:18PM (#18394559)

Yeah I guess I’m just not really invigorated by fears of “difficulty of tabulation” and “bad behavior on edge cases”. Maybe I react differently from the typical voting system enthusiast?

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Re:Instant runoff voting is the system we need by dragonwriter on Tuesday November 06, 2018 @03:29PM (#18394657)

> Yeah I guess I’m just not really invigorated by fears of “difficulty of tabulation” and “bad behavior on edge cases”.

Difficulty in tabulation affects speed of, certainty of, and confidence in results, as well as cost of implementation.

> Maybe I react differently from the typical voting system enthusiast?

Nope, especially on neglecting pragmatics like tabulation; that's practically a hallmark of voting system enthusiasts.

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Re:Instant runoff voting is the system we need by SilasX on Tuesday November 06, 2018 @03:37PM (#18394699)

>Difficulty in tabulation affects speed of, certainty of, and confidence in results, as well as cost of implementation.

Which doesn't rise to the level of "that is so bad it must be stopped".

>> Maybe I react differently from the typical voting system enthusiast?

>Nope,

Kind of strange, since the entire reason for my confusion and joining this thread is because of enthusiasts' doom-and-gloom about the quality of the results themselves, and how they worry about the edge cases and I don't.

Are you invigorated by the cost fears? Because they seem like a sliver compared to the cost of Gore vs Bush.

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Re:Instant runoff voting is the system we need by admax88q on Tuesday November 06, 2018 @11:31PM (#18397092)

I guess I can't comprehend how someone doesn't view non-montonicity as a fatalflaw in a voting system.

If I can hurt my preferred candidates chances of winning by ranking them higher on my ballot then the voting system is broken.

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Re:Instant runoff voting is the system we need by SilasX on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @01:07AM (#18397399)

Non-monotonicity is a problem.

Non-monotonicity solely on a few pathological edge cases where voter preferences are a nigh-intransitive clusterf—- is not a problem.

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Re:Instant runoff voting is the system we need by admax88q on Wednesday November 07, 2018 @09:20AM (#18399240)

I think that the Burlington example that has been cited a lot in this thread shows that non monotonicity is a problem for IRV in not just pathological edge cases.

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Re:Instant runoff voting is the system we need by xvedejas on Tuesday November 06, 2018 @04:12PM (#18394939)

The problem with difficulty to understand isn't a simple logistical fear. It's fear that voters won't understand what their vote means.

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Re:Instant runoff voting is the system we need by SilasX on Tuesday November 06, 2018 @04:21PM (#18395021)

I never expressed mystification at comments that expressed that fear, because it actually makes sense.

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Re:Instant runoff voting is the system we need by dragonwriter on Tuesday November 06, 2018 @04:17PM (#18394979)

Also, it's that they won't have a basis for respecting the result when their candidate loses.

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