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Re:Travel and the algorithmic trap by crooked-v on Friday November 02, 2018 @04:49PM (#18366615)
"Travel should be seredendipitous" are the words of somebody who can afford a lot more travel than I can.
Re:Travel and the algorithmic trap by ghaff on Friday November 02, 2018 @05:15PM (#18366839)
I don't know (though I admittedly travel quite a bit, albeit mostly for business). It's one thing to drop into a place with no real expectations and spend the time to really get to know it. That can take a lot of time.

But you can also approach a place with an attitude that there are a couple places/activities you really want to see/do/eat but let the rest develop more organically. It's easier once you've checked the "must-dos" off your list admittedly. There are a number of places I enjoy returning to in part because there's nothing I feel I must do. But if I spend a trip just flitting from attraction to attraction and don't spend time just wandering around, I feel that's a miss.

Re:Travel and the algorithmic trap by Kalium on Friday November 02, 2018 @05:21PM (#18366886)
If you only ever expect to get to go to London once in your life, you're going to be very busy trying to see everything in the week you have.

I know a number of people who travel rarely, as they can't often afford major trips. Their trips frequently include a relatively large number of must-do items, because they've spent a lot of time planning the three or five or seven days they can afford halfway around the world.

And this is before getting into what the obsessive planners I know do when on vacation!

Re:Travel and the algorithmic trap by ghaff on Friday November 02, 2018 @05:32PM (#18366946)
That's certainly fair. I'm in London 2 or 3 times a year and usually try to hit something new if I have personal time. But I don't need to hit the British Museum on a given trip. London's probably something of an extreme because there are so many must-dos. But I think it's also fair to agree with the general sentiment that traveling shouldn't be exclusively about a check list. (If it's Tuesday it must be Belgium.)

Of course, it you're spending a little time in a place for what might be the only time there are probably one or two things you sorta have to see. But you should mostly avoid (IMO) just checking off sites.

Re:Travel and the algorithmic trap by alex__c on Monday November 05, 2018 @06:22AM (#18381459)
> If you only ever expect to get to go to London once in your life, you're going to be very busy trying to see everything in the week you have.

The trap is, of course, that it's monumentally stupid to cram "seeing London" into the timeframe of one week. The bigger the city, the longer the time it takes to properly take it in. Otherwise your travel experience is a 200 km/h carousel ride: what can you even retain and process, at that speed?

What's the difference between seeing the Milan Dome in-person for a brief 20 minutes (because you have a laundry list of stuff to do) -- and seeing it in pictures? Not much, in my opinion.

Personally, I'd rather see only 1/5 of the "objectives" available to me, if the ones I DO end up visiting stay in my memory.

Re:Travel and the algorithmic trap by alistairSH on Friday November 02, 2018 @07:33PM (#18367592)
It's easier once you've checked the "must-dos" off your list admittedly.

Absolutely. I’ve been visiting Scotland since childhood (family is Scottish) and the last few trips have been fantastic precisely because I’ve seen the must-sees (as has my wife, who has now visited twice) and can now just drive around and take in the beauty.

And now that we’ve visited several other countries, we seem to have found a balance between “see all the things” and “relax and smell the roses”.

But, admittedly, we have the budget to travel internationally once a year or more.

Re:Travel and the algorithmic trap by JBlue42 on Saturday November 03, 2018 @03:32AM (#18369154)
It doesn't even have to be somewhere completely foreign or far away. Getting out of LA just a few hours out to other parts of CA, whether the rugged coast, wineries, eastern Sierras or sparse Mojave for a few days can help one decompress. I know I'm looking forward to my the week I'm taking off in December no matter whether it's a 2 hr drive or flight to Mexico.
Re:Travel and the algorithmic trap by pjc50 on Friday November 02, 2018 @06:28PM (#18367250)
It can often be cheaper if you're avoiding the main areas. Or go off-season. It can be great to find odd little things; I remember this typewriter museum being posted all over twitter: https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a23610/i...

My best ever holiday was pure serendipity: Inter-railing, before the advent of mobile phones. We had the Thomas Cook European Rail Timetable and no other guidebooks, doing the whole thing on signposts, local info, helpful bystanders, and simply wandering around interesting-looking bits of city centres.

(But for working Americans the thing in short supply is time, not money, hence the tremendous rush I guess)

Re:Travel and the algorithmic trap by DenisM on Friday November 02, 2018 @07:01PM (#18367435)
You can get on a $500 plane ride to Costa Rica tonight, hostels are from $12 per night and quite fun. There's your serendipity. Just do it.
Re:Travel and the algorithmic trap by xapata on Friday November 02, 2018 @07:25PM (#18367551)
Opportunity cost (time not working) is often more expensive than flight and lodging.
Re:Travel and the algorithmic trap by DenisM on Friday November 02, 2018 @07:36PM (#18367607)
Surely everyone gets some paid vacation time.
Re:Travel and the algorithmic trap by dragonwriter on Friday November 02, 2018 @07:39PM (#18367628)
> Surely everyone gets some paid vacation time.

Not in the US.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2017/mobile/73-percent-of-all-c...

Re:Travel and the algorithmic trap by Avshalom on Saturday November 03, 2018 @06:16AM (#18369496)
Also technically receiving paid vacation and actually being able to use it are often not the same: in retail us at the bottom of ten end up cashing out vacation at the rate of a few hours a week to compensate for getting fewer hours a week in the slow season but still have enough days scheduled (or are functionally on call) that we can't leave town.
Re:Travel and the algorithmic trap by xapata on Friday November 02, 2018 @09:22PM (#18368108)
I work for myself. Even sleep has an opportunity cost.
Re:Travel and the algorithmic trap by DenisM on Saturday November 03, 2018 @01:07PM (#18371253)
Marginal utility of time spent working usually declines.

That is to say that time off will pay off in increased productivity.

Another way to say it, insufficient rest has its own cost.

Re:Travel and the algorithmic trap by crooked-v on Saturday November 03, 2018 @08:38PM (#18373325)
15 days per year, and that's quite lot compared to most previous jobs I've had.
Re:Travel and the algorithmic trap by JBlue42 on Friday November 02, 2018 @11:12PM (#18368466)
What are you doing the work for?
Re:Travel and the algorithmic trap by xapata on Saturday November 03, 2018 @02:37AM (#18369032)
For fun? Strange question. Almost as if you were asking rhetorically.
Re:Travel and the algorithmic trap by JBlue42 on Saturday November 03, 2018 @03:30AM (#18369146)
No, that's an answer. I also mistook you for the parent comment.

To each their own but seeing travel, or even a short non-work break of some sort, in purely economic value might not be the most healthy outlook.

Who knows -- if you were to take even a one week trip somewhere else maybe the time away from your work will give you better insight into it, or even better thoughts/ideas, that might lead to more money / economic power, if that's your goal.

Re:Travel and the algorithmic trap by xapata on Saturday November 03, 2018 @01:10PM (#18371264)
One can consider opportunity cost without forgetting non-economic value. I take more vacation than most Americans, probably more than most Europeans, too.