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Re:Google Engineers Organizing a Walk Out to Protest the Pro... by dcre on Monday October 29, 2018 @07:26PM (#18332614)
If they quit they don't have leverage at Google anymore. This is why unions exist: they can threaten to quit, extract concessions, and not quit.
Re:Google Engineers Organizing a Walk Out to Protest the Pro... by leereeves on Monday October 29, 2018 @07:35PM (#18332654)
When negotiation fails, unions extract concessions by trying to prevent anyone (members or not) from doing the work.

Unions are rather weak when they can't prevent employers from hiring strikebreakers.

Re:Google Engineers Organizing a Walk Out to Protest the Pro... by notacoward on Monday October 29, 2018 @07:37PM (#18332670)
Yes, because there's an infinite supply of completely interchangeable workers, and no costs associated with hiring or training.
Re:Google Engineers Organizing a Walk Out to Protest the Pro... by leereeves on Monday October 29, 2018 @07:48PM (#18332734)
Yes, those are two obstacles that employers face when hiring strikebreakers, along with more significant obstacles like laws forbidding strikebreakers, licensing, and union violence.

The common factor is that it's not enough to refuse to work, unions must be able to ensure that no one does the work.

Re:Google Engineers Organizing a Walk Out to Protest the Pro... by notacoward on Monday October 29, 2018 @10:36PM (#18333650)
> unions must be able to ensure that no one does the work.

Often the barrier is natural, such as with folks at Google who built the systems and are (collectively) the only ones who can keep them running without significant interruption. By what authority, for what compelling reason, would you abridge their freedom of association (or in this case non-association)?

Re:Google Engineers Organizing a Walk Out to Protest the Pro... by leereeves on Monday October 29, 2018 @10:42PM (#18333673)
I wouldn't, they should be free to work or not as they choose. But they shouldn't be able to abridge anyone else's freedom and I doubt they're as irreplaceable as you think.
Re:Google Engineers Organizing a Walk Out to Protest the Pro... by notacoward on Monday October 29, 2018 @11:08PM (#18333751)
Doubt all you like. It doesn't matter. What matters is whether Google doubts it, and I think they know better. They know the costs of hiring and training and downtime for their business. Do you seriously suppose that they think they could just find a few thousand replacements on a moment's notice?
Re:Google Engineers Organizing a Walk Out to Protest the Pro... by leereeves on Monday October 29, 2018 @11:53PM (#18333913)
Now you're making a different argument. Yes, there are costs involved in replacing employees, and there are costs involved in allowing employees to walk out or refuse to work on certain projects. Naturally Google will weigh those costs.

But earlier you claimed they were "the only ones" capable, and that I wanted to abridge their freedom of association. I disagreed with both those statements.

Now that you've restricted your position to acknowledging a reasonable cost/benefit tradeoff for Google, I agree.

Re:Google Engineers Organizing a Walk Out to Protest the Pro... by notacoward on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @07:55AM (#18335655)
> earlier you claimed they were "the only ones" capable

No, I claimed that they were the only ones capable of running the systems without significant interruption. Others can be trained up, but it would take months and there would be some failures along the way. You're the one whose argument has been changing, since you started with the presumption that strikes' effectiveness relies on explicitly excluding others (e.g. via law or force).

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Re:Google Engineers Organizing a Walk Out to Protest the Pro... by gumby on Monday October 29, 2018 @07:36PM (#18332665)
Why?

I built my house with union labor. I think I got a much better result.

Re:Google Engineers Organizing a Walk Out to Protest the Pro... by almost_usual on Monday October 29, 2018 @08:46PM (#18333066)
Can you imagine a city built by Google engineers? It's kinda creepy when you think about it.
Re:Google Engineers Organizing a Walk Out to Protest the Pro... by rhizome on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @01:11AM (#18334121)
It would be a simple design, with strong walls, complicated HVAC, and no floors.