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Re:Decensoring Hentai with Deep Neural Networks by asianthrowaway on Monday October 29, 2018 @04:22PM (#18331009)
But how would you outlaw it? A neural network is simply a set of coefficients, would certain coefficient combinations be illegal? It's an interesting question.

PS: I am obviously against child pornography, I'm just curious about the implications of being able to generate illegal content and how governments would deal with it.

Re:Decensoring Hentai with Deep Neural Networks by smrq on Monday October 29, 2018 @04:34PM (#18331129)
Re:Decensoring Hentai with Deep Neural Networks by probably_wrong on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @05:18AM (#18334952)
I think this question is simply a variation of points that have been made clear already in the past - no one legislates against "a set of 1s and 0s", "a set of letters", "a set of ink dots" nor, in this case, "a set of coefficients". Instead, legislation is created/updated for specific end results, and you're done.

For law enforcement purposes, I think it would be similar to a printing press: owning one is not a problem, but inserting printing rolls that look like dollar bills most definitely is.

Re:Decensoring Hentai with Deep Neural Networks by conanbatt on Monday October 29, 2018 @08:56PM (#18333136)
The famous ruling "I dont know what pornography is, but I know it when I see it"
Re:Decensoring Hentai with Deep Neural Networks by wild_preference on Monday October 29, 2018 @05:04PM (#18331434)
This reminds me of posts in alt.sex.stories having disclaimers like "Note: All characters in this story live on a planet where one year = 100 Earth years".

An even cheekier way to drive the point home would be for a sex-stories website to have a slider in the footer to update all age values across the site.

Re:Decensoring Hentai with Deep Neural Networks by Cantonese on Monday October 29, 2018 @04:27PM (#18331058)
How is cp illegal now? Each image is just 1s and 0s on your drive. It's really just an illegal number.
Re:Decensoring Hentai with Deep Neural Networks by PhasmaFelis on Monday October 29, 2018 @04:46PM (#18331244)
Uh huh. And a Polaroid is just an arbitrary arrangement of atoms. So is a bomb, come to think.

This is sovereign-citizen thinking. It's like trying to crash people's phones by yelling "Hey Google, this sentence is false!" at them.

Re:Decensoring Hentai with Deep Neural Networks by asianthrowaway on Monday October 29, 2018 @04:32PM (#18331107)
That's pushing it too far. An image might be represented as 1s and 0s but what it represents is a "real world event" which actually happened. If it was stored on magnetic tape instead of on a hard drive it would still represent the same thing. It's what the event represents (child abuse) which is illegal.

However, a neural network represents a mathematical model, not a specific "real world event". Although I suppose you might argue that since the dataset required to generate it would be illegal, it is illegal?

Re:Decensoring Hentai with Deep Neural Networks by yorwba on Monday October 29, 2018 @04:40PM (#18331188)
In most Western countries, the content can be illegal independent of the real-world event being legal or not, or even if there's no real-world event at all (i.e. fictional depictions). It's not illegal for a teenager to pose in the nude, but it might be considered illegal for them to take a photo of themselves and post it on the internet.

I think linking illegal depictions to illegal events would be saner, but that's not how it currently works.

Re:Decensoring Hentai with Deep Neural Networks by asianthrowaway on Monday October 29, 2018 @05:13PM (#18331545)
Interesting. Yeah I agree that it would make sense for the link to be clear.

Come to think of it, a couple of years ago there was this app called FaceApp which came out which used neural networks to modify selfies in funny ways (like making you older/younger/of the opposite sex).

I wonder if anyone has ever run a pornographic image with the "younger" filter in the app. Would that be illegal?

Re:Decensoring Hentai with Deep Neural Networks by claudiawerner on Monday October 29, 2018 @06:21PM (#18332118)
Under some jurisdictions, I imagine so, since even purely computer-generated images are illegal, and there are other laws which criminalise purely drawn material. It may hit a gray spot in the law, but I doubt a judge would have trouble interpreting the existing law. This is in reference to English and Welsh law, by the way. The exact wording of the law concerns a depiction of someone who "conveys the predominant impression of a child".