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Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by beatgammit on Sunday October 28, 2018 @03:44PM (#18322660)
As soon as I heard this news, I was looking to invest in SUSE until I found out they were just bought by a private equity firm earlier this year.

What's going on with Linux providers? Is Amazon really just dominating the space?

Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by cyphar on Sunday October 28, 2018 @04:29PM (#18322961)
SUSE has been acquired many times in the past several years (Novell, Attachmate, MicroFocus). In theory, EQT will help us "get back on our feet" in terms of self-sufficiency but how things will actually pan out is obviously still unclear.

[Disclaimer: I work at SUSE.]

Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by signal11 on Sunday October 28, 2018 @04:41PM (#18323030)
Ubuntu (Canonical) just stared looking more attractive as they were trying to be an independent commercially-supported Linux offering.

Or, if you don’t like Canonical (and to be fair they do a lot less than Red Hat do), encouraging corporate users to sponsor Debian directly would be amazing.

Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by techntoke on Sunday October 28, 2018 @10:02PM (#18324450)
I'd rather corporate users sponsor Arch. My guess is Canonical will be announcing they are getting acquired by Microsoft soon.
Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by tim-- on Sunday October 28, 2018 @10:13PM (#18324496)
Except corporate users usually want support.

It does make me wonder though if it would ever be possible for a bunch of business savy open source developers could ever get around to creating an open source co-op. Something like the commercial version of the FSF. Build open source products with solid support contracts, and build/contribute to open source that way.

The organization would be owned by the very people building and contributing the code.

RedHat is the only company that I can see that really did everything in the open.

I'm not sure which one I feel worse about, Oracle buying Sun, or IBM buying RedHat? I feel that Oracle did some major missteps in their acquisition (for this I look squarely at OpenOffice, and their misshandling of it, although, the OOo community hated the Oracle acquisition from day one, which I guess might have made it a little like poison berries - no one would want to go near it).

Oracle completely ruined MySQL during the acquisition too.

Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by M_Bakhtiari on Monday October 29, 2018 @06:05AM (#18326207)
> Except corporate users usually want support.

What prevents anyone from offering an enterprise support program for Arch?

Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by flukus on Sunday October 28, 2018 @10:29PM (#18324566)
Corporate users can barely get around to patching windows desktops and are happy with Redhat being so slow moving, they're not going to jump on the arch constant upgrade cycle anytime soon.
Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by techntoke on Monday October 29, 2018 @02:09AM (#18325387)
It is not ideal for managing servers without better supporting documentation, but engineering efforts would be pretty minimal to make it work well.
Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by step21 on Monday October 29, 2018 @12:02AM (#18324966)
This so much.
Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by acct1771 on Monday October 29, 2018 @02:04AM (#18325374)
What's it take to build an excellent Arch enterprise support team (because that's the only way I'd ever want to do it)?
Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by vesak on Monday October 29, 2018 @03:11AM (#18325556)
Taking on the big ones on their own turf isn't going to work, I think. By that turf I mean supporting years old versions running in dusty custom data centers.

I'd suggest building an auto-upgrade system on top of Arch (or Alpine), and go for immutable infrastructure as the selling point. That's stepping on CoreOS's toes a bit, but I haven't seen any progress from that crowd ever since Red Hat bought them, so it'll probably get even worse now.

That way you can target AWS/Azure/$OTHER_MODERN_STUFF in a more focused way, and you won't be stuck on supporting months/years old versions of the OS.

Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by M_Bakhtiari on Monday October 29, 2018 @06:04AM (#18326203)
> I'd suggest building an auto-upgrade system on top of Arch (or Alpine), and go for immutable infrastructure as the selling point. That's stepping on CoreOS's toes a bit, but I haven't seen any progress from that crowd ever since Red Hat bought them, so it'll probably get even worse now.

In that case, why not go all the way over to NixOS? They already have a more or less complete cloud stack with NixOps, the only problem is hardly anyone knows how to use it.

Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by vesak on Monday October 29, 2018 @09:50AM (#18327501)
>only problem is hardly anyone knows how to use it.

That's a massive, show-stopping problem.

Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by M_Bakhtiari on Monday October 29, 2018 @10:22AM (#18327745)
> That's a massive, show-stopping problem.

How so?

I agree that it's a nontrivial problem to learn a piece of complex software from scratch to the point that you can offer comprehensive enterprise support for it, but how is that show-stopping?

Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by vesak on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @04:44AM (#18334810)
No, I mean NixOS/NixOPS being incomprehensible to a large amount of us even after several years of existing. That's a huge problem, and it's their problem.

I'm not sure what the cause is. If it's a fundamental technological problem, then it's insurmountable, but if it's just a documentation problem, then it might be fixable. It doesn't look good though, since, like I said, the whole stack has existed for a long time. You would think that something would've been done about it.

All that said, perhaps I'm just dumb. I'll be happy to see someone prove me wrong and succeed with that combo. The underlying technology is certainly interesting and powerful. But I won't be trying it.

Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by kazen44 on Sunday October 28, 2018 @04:18PM (#18322899)
no, but most cloud providers are not opensourcing their contributions to linux.
Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by cthalupa on Sunday October 28, 2018 @04:40PM (#18323021)
Is that really true? The big three cloud providers all have commits to the Linux kernel:

~/linux   master ● $ git log --author=amazon --format='%h %s%n %ad, %an <%ae>' --date=short | grep @amazon | wc -l 206

~/linux   master ● $ git log --author=microsoft --format='%h %s%n %ad, %an <%ae>' --date=short | grep @microsoft | wc -l 1825

~/linux   master ● $ git log --author=google --format='%h %s%n %ad, %an <%ae>' --date=short | grep @google | wc -l 11283

Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by dirkgently on Sunday October 28, 2018 @05:21PM (#18323278)
Good on Google.

Besides the kernel contributions, Google has a long list of open source projects: https://opensource.google.com/projects/list/featured

For all the hates Google gets on HN, they have been at the forefront of supporting OSS.

Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by omegabravo on Sunday October 28, 2018 @11:05PM (#18324752)
https://opensource.microsoft.com/

https://aws.github.io/

https://opensource.fb.com/

https://netflix.github.io/

https://uber.github.io/

https://opensource.apple.com/

This list is not nearly exhaustive, but my main point is Google is hardly the outlier here.

Good on all the developers pushing for open source so much. The industry is in a much better place than it was 25 years ago.

Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by palunon on Sunday October 28, 2018 @08:07PM (#18324023)
Google develops Android. It's in their best interest that their changes to the kernel get mainlined... The internal APIs of the kernel tend to change a lot, and Linus doesn't really care about out of tree breakage.
Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by chupasaurus on Monday October 29, 2018 @02:52AM (#18325502)
That's how userland Android is.