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Re:US election system reveals frightening vulnerabilities at... by thewhitetulip on Sunday October 28, 2018 @12:19PM (#18321299)
I'm from India and every ejection since 1950s has been called rigged by the Opposition. The party which is in power now, has written a book on EVM tampering and the party which was in power for most of the time have rubbished EvM tampering.

Now that roles have reversed, so have their claims.

Coming to the point, isn't US using paperballots? All the papers in my nation say US holds elections via paperballots and not EVMs.

And why the heck do EVMs exist? Who verifies if they are fine or not? We know very well abouhow elections are rigged in third world dictatorships.

There needs to be a standard.

Re:US election system reveals frightening vulnerabilities at... by mikeash on Sunday October 28, 2018 @12:49PM (#18321468)
I don’t think I’ve seen a paper ballot since I voted absentee in 2004.

Why do electronic machines exist? The charitable interpretation is that they were chosen in the aftermath of the disastrous 2000 election because they remove ambiguity and error. The less charitable interpretation is that they’re used because they’re easier to screw with.

Who verifies them? Mostly the companies who make them.

Re:US election system reveals frightening vulnerabilities at... by dragonwriter on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:40PM (#18338547)
> I don’t think I’ve seen a paper ballot since I voted absentee in 2004.

I've voted in person consistently, and never seen anything else. Different jurisdictions in the US make different choices.

Re:US election system reveals frightening vulnerabilities at... by thewhitetulip on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:07PM (#18338074)
Wow, and here I was, reading Indian news articles whoch said "When nations like US, UK are holding elections via ballot papers then why are we using EVMs"
Re:US election system reveals frightening vulnerabilities at... by everdev on Sunday October 28, 2018 @01:38PM (#18321790)
Calling the opposition "fake" is an old political practice used as both valid criticism and deception. Unfortunately, the claim sounds the same even if the facts are not.

Unfortunately, I think politicians know that most people don't have the time or resources to fact check and claims don't need to be supported by much evidence to be believed.

Re:US election system reveals frightening vulnerabilities at... by thewhitetulip on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:13PM (#18338161)
Calling everything fake has become a fashion. I started watching Last Week Tonight recently and it is scary, the lengths to which politicians lie about fake news!
Re:US election system reveals frightening vulnerabilities at... by monocasa on Sunday October 28, 2018 @12:37PM (#18321399)
> Coming to the point, isn't US using paperballots? All the papers in my nation say US holds elections via paperballots and not EVMs.

It's different on a per state/municipality basis. Some are paper, some are EVM. We're trending towards EVM despite warnings from computer security researchers.

Re:US election system reveals frightening vulnerabilities at... by thewhitetulip on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:12PM (#18338149)
EVMs with a verifiable paper trail should help. We have VVPats in India where we get receipts after voting. Plus Election Commission does/can do a random audit on constituencies.
Re:US election system reveals frightening vulnerabilities at... by mtgx on Sunday October 28, 2018 @01:54PM (#18321872)
These back and forth accusations could stop if they actually implemented automatic (random) audits, so that all elections would be verified, without anyone first having to "call" an election stolen first, before the audit would have to happen.
Re:US election system reveals frightening vulnerabilities at... by thewhitetulip on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:06PM (#18338058)
True. But then, there is a concept called VVPATs. Verified paprt trail on which we get a receipt of whom we voted for
Re:US election system reveals frightening vulnerabilities at... by jakelazaroff on Sunday October 28, 2018 @12:33PM (#18321378)
> Coming to the point, isn't US using paperballots?

Not everywhere, no: https://ballotpedia.org/Voting_methods_and_equipment_by_stat...