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Re:‘Two-faced’ membrane can create electricity from salty an... by kurthr on Saturday October 27, 2018 @11:14AM (#18316060)
Yes, it's the fresh water that's rare, and becomes salty in the process so it's sort of like stored solar energy from rain (mostly from the oceans)... osmotic power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmotic_power

The power density even at 40% efficiency is pretty high (300Wh/m3) so major rivers (Mississippi 20,000m3/sec or 72Mm3/hr) would generate 20GW fully exploited.

The problem has always been the growth of biofilms on the surfaces of the membrane, which break them down and/or lower their efficiency.

Re:‘Two-faced’ membrane can create electricity from salty an... by chongli on Saturday October 27, 2018 @11:57AM (#18316282)
20GW is basically nothing next to the environmental damage it would cause by destroying the Mississippi delta in order to build this plant. 20GW gives you 480,000 MWh/d. The US as a whole is currently using over 13,000,000 MWh/d [1]. There is only one Mississippi! Not worth it, if you ask me.

Besides, it's not just biofilms that are the problem. With a river you're going to have huge amounts of silt and very fine clay clogging up your membrane. The maintenance costs for an installation like this would be overwhelming.

[1] https://www.eia.gov/realtime_grid/#/summary/demand?end=20160...

Re:‘Two-faced’ membrane can create electricity from salty an... by Retric on Saturday October 27, 2018 @12:06PM (#18316329)
There is far more than just one US river. Hudson for example is: 21,400 ft³/s, Potomac is 10,810 ft³/s etc.

And the output is just mild salinity water, so you could probably extract form 1/2 the flow without causing that much environmental harm as long as you pipe the output to an area with similar salinity.

Re:‘Two-faced’ membrane can create electricity from salty an... by chongli on Saturday October 27, 2018 @04:07PM (#18317433)
It's not the salinity I'm worried about, it's the installation.
Re:‘Two-faced’ membrane can create electricity from salty an... by kurthr on Sunday October 28, 2018 @10:49AM (#18320824)
Don't worry, it won't be installed and it's not practical. Also, the delta will be submerged by rising oceans soon enough so that won't be a worry either. :^(
Re:‘Two-faced’ membrane can create electricity from salty an... by jasonmccay on Saturday October 27, 2018 @11:25AM (#18316127)
Interesting ... curious what the replacement cost of these membranes are as compared to installation and ongoing maintenance of wind turbines.

Also, as always, curious how having these membranes in the water would affect the local ecosystem.

Re:‘Two-faced’ membrane can create electricity from salty an... by mycall on Saturday October 27, 2018 @11:54AM (#18316263)
Have robots constantly cleaning surfaces. Then humans clean the robots.
Re:‘Two-faced’ membrane can create electricity from salty an... by kibwen on Saturday October 27, 2018 @12:17PM (#18316373)
Then use the salty water to clean the humans. The circle of life!