News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Apple and the future of Java by aphexairlines on Monday October 25, 2010 @02:07PM (#1830845)
Eclipse is cross-platform, comes with a disgusting component system (OSGi), pillages all your RAM, and yet is still arguably the most popular IDE these days.
Re:Apple and the future of Java by _delirium on Monday October 25, 2010 @02:25PM (#1830924)
Firefox is quite popular too, and uses its own custom cross-platform UI toolkit.
Re:Apple and the future of Java by gamble on Monday October 25, 2010 @08:29PM (#1832299)
Firefox has never looked or felt like a native application on the Mac. It didn't even have native form controls or pixel-perfect scrolling ala Safari until fairly recently.
Re:Apple and the future of Java by stcredzero on Monday October 25, 2010 @02:54PM (#1831064)
I've heard of in-house apps being done with XUL. I'm not aware of any used by the general public, other than Firefox.

To be a successful cross-platform development environment, there would have to be lots of these. To my knowledge, only web apps are that widespread and used by the general public, not primarily for in-house apps.

Re:Apple and the future of Java by ZeroGravitas on Monday October 25, 2010 @03:01PM (#1831093)
Does Songbird count? I think ActiveState's IDE's are XUL too, but it seesm devs are generally more willing to accept cross-platform apps.
Re:Apple and the future of Java by CrazedGeek on Monday October 25, 2010 @04:37PM (#1831497)
Miro and the eMusic Downloader should count, too.
Re:Apple and the future of Java by ptomato on Monday October 25, 2010 @04:05PM (#1831381)
Re:Apple and the future of Java by mkramlich on Tuesday October 26, 2010 @12:37AM (#1832999)
... and is slow, pillages your RAM, and for many folks is a de facto web IDE. :) Think Firebug, etc.
Re:Apple and the future of Java by stcredzero on Monday October 25, 2010 @02:52PM (#1831060)
How many general-public end-user apps are built with SWT?
Re:Apple and the future of Java by jsankey on Monday October 25, 2010 @05:43PM (#1831743)
There don't seem to be many. But I believe it has been used quite extensively in internally-developed applications, never intended for the mass market. The same goes for Swing as well.

So although end consumers might not see them, it will certainly take a long time for SWT or Swing to die. These are the same class of applications that are keeping IE 6 alive, after all.

Does this matter to Apple? I doubt it's significant, as most of these applications are probably running on Windows desktops already. Probably more significant is the legion of Java developers that have been vocal proponents of Macs over recent years. The numbers of such developers might not be so great in an absolute sense, but the amount of noise they create is disproportionate. And, more importantly, they are more motivated to build interesting stuff for the platform they use.

Re:Apple and the future of Java by mweatherill on Tuesday October 26, 2010 @01:28AM (#1833140)
Lotus Notes and Lotus Symphony aren't consumer apps but they both have a pretty big user base beyond typical Eclipse users. Azureus is the first consumer app that comes to mind.
Re:Apple and the future of Java by aphexairlines on Tuesday October 26, 2010 @02:03AM (#1833233)
Azureus (Vuze) is one of the most popular bittorrent clients.
Re:Apple and the future of Java by aphexairlines on Tuesday October 26, 2010 @02:09AM (#1833245)
JDownloader bundles the SWT libraries, but I don't know how much of its UI is written in SWT.