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Re:When Sears Flourished, So Did Workers. At Amazon, It’s Mo... by stella_r on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @10:37PM (#18289268)
I joined Amazon as an SDE 1 in early 2015. I was promoted to an SDE 2 in q4 2016. I just was promoted this year to SDE 3.

Hard work, navigating to the right projects, and managing both upwards and down... senior and junior people on my part... I feel a bit ripped off. I'm not sure I would have wanted to get promoted knowing where my comp now falls.

The thing I'm unhappy about is that my target comp isn't actually that much more than where it already was as an SDE 2.

Without going into specific numbers, what Amazon does is if the stock value goes up, you only reap the benefits insofar as your existing grants are worth more. That means if you're above the target comp they assigned you, then you get no additional stock.

My job role as an SDE 3 has changed. I have more responsibilities and the influence I built as an SDE 2 has solidified. It's not easy by any means.

I'm going to just a bit longer as there is some initial vest that's wrapping up early next year... and then I go somewhere else.

My total comp this year is upwards of $250k because of the stock appreciation, but basically I got shafted with the promo raise. My salary and total comp didn't increase. I'm just reaping a higher stock price of vested shares.

Edit In response to the article >A warehouse worker hired now at Amazon who stays until retirement would leave with a fraction of that.

A buddy of mine works at the NYT in a tech role. NYT isn't doing anything different than Amazon. It takes a lot of nerve to write these kinds of articles... Hypocrisy at its finest.

Re:When Sears Flourished, So Did Workers. At Amazon, It’s Mo... by CobrastanJorji on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @02:23AM (#18290129)
First, back up a second and appreciate your position. You were an SDE 1 in 2015, and you're an SDE 3 now. You're making over a quarter million a year. Your career is on a rocket trajectory. Most SDEs don't ever even make it to 3.

Should you leave? Yeah, probably, but only because that's my general advise to most Amazon SDEs. Many (but certainly not all) of the teams there are not super fun to work for. Odds are you'd be happier at any given alternative. Maybe your team's great, but you seem pretty unsatisfied, so yeah, leave.

Should you leave because of the money? Probably not, no. You're at the bottom of a new pay grade. You'll probably be making more over the next couple of years, and if you're on track to Principal, whoo boy is there money there. On the other hand, they say a recent promotion is a great time to quit. Go interview with Facebook or whoever and see if they'll pay more for an Amazon SDE 3 than Amazon will. Who knows, maybe they'll even buy you your unvested shares.

Re:When Sears Flourished, So Did Workers. At Amazon, It’s Mo... by jrmg on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @10:42PM (#18289286)
My total comp this year is upwards of $250k, but basically I got shafted

Only in our industry...

Re:When Sears Flourished, So Did Workers. At Amazon, It’s Mo... by chii on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @01:04AM (#18289847)
If the person did 1 mil dollars worth of work, but only got compensated a quarter of a mil, isn't that getting shafted?

Just because the numbers are bigger, doesn't mean it is less deserving of being fair.

Re:When Sears Flourished, So Did Workers. At Amazon, It’s Mo... by mirceal on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @09:06AM (#18292037)
Nope. You need to make more than you’re paid (on average of course). If this does not happen it does not make sense keeping you around.
Re:When Sears Flourished, So Did Workers. At Amazon, It’s Mo... by _cs2017_ on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @04:02AM (#18290488)
Generally, every American who makes less money than they deserve, has two choices:

(1) Find a way to make more money.

(2) Appeal to the sense of fairness to get sympathy from the community.

Sadly, according to US federal law (4 U.S.C. §§ 888), anyone who earned a total compensation in excess of 7 times national average individual median income, loses the right to option (2). Any attempt to exercise it will result in penalties such as heavy downvoting and ridicule on social media.

If not for these harsh legal restrictions, I would have offered you my very sincere sympathy and words of support.

The good news is that with your fast career progression at Amazon, and willingness to work hard, you will likely significantly increase your compensation when you enter the job market again.

Re:When Sears Flourished, So Did Workers. At Amazon, It’s Mo... by anticensor on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @09:30AM (#18292197)
In the US, one earning more than 7 times national average income cannot accept gifts at all? Have I read right? "4 USC 888" does not exist.
Re:When Sears Flourished, So Did Workers. At Amazon, It’s Mo... by aaron_oxenrider on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @10:13AM (#18292563)
It's a joke using a very dry sense of humor. The mix of cultures on this site make that hard to pick out at times but this one is wholly a joke.

As you found, that is not law.

Re:When Sears Flourished, So Did Workers. At Amazon, It’s Mo... by _cs2017_ on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @10:11PM (#18298082)
I didn't say anything about gifts, sorry for any confusion. Please feel free to send gifts!

By the way, I also happily accept gifts myself :)

Re:When Sears Flourished, So Did Workers. At Amazon, It’s Mo... by anticensor on Thursday October 25, 2018 @03:01PM (#18303590)
I refuse all kinds of gifts, except for information and knowledge material, from anyone except my immediate family. I also do not gift anyone who may have a business or personal relationship with me now or any time in the future.
Re:When Sears Flourished, So Did Workers. At Amazon, It’s Mo... by kkarakk on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @09:32AM (#18292214)
the only reason this is downvoted is because of "you make so much money, be grateful and stop whining" and I feel like it shouldn't be.
Re:When Sears Flourished, So Did Workers. At Amazon, It’s Mo... by patrickg_zill on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @01:06AM (#18289850)
Curious about how many hours you would say you work each week? Or how many total hours per year? A normal 40 hours per week is usually seen as about 2000 hours per year.
Re:When Sears Flourished, So Did Workers. At Amazon, It’s Mo... by CydeWeys on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @05:14AM (#18290834)
The exact definition of a full time salaried position, as defined by the federal government, is 2087 hours per year, FYI.

Why such a weird number? Because it takes leap years into account: 365.24 × 5/7 × 8

Re:When Sears Flourished, So Did Workers. At Amazon, It’s Mo... by patrickg_zill on Friday October 26, 2018 @12:07AM (#18306721)
True, but there are about 10 typical holidays that fall on weekdays each year. So 50 weeks * 40 hours is close enough.
Re:When Sears Flourished, So Did Workers. At Amazon, It’s Mo... by bildung on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @07:39AM (#18291497)
Is there no legal minimum number of paid vacation days in the US?
Re:When Sears Flourished, So Did Workers. At Amazon, It’s Mo... by boomboomsubban on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @07:49AM (#18291551)
There is no required paid leave in the US. No paid vacation, no paid sick leave, no paid parental leave.

*edited a typo.

Re:When Sears Flourished, So Did Workers. At Amazon, It’s Mo... by leesalminen on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @08:59AM (#18291974)
> paternal

Parental? Maternal leave is also unpaid AFAIK.

Re:When Sears Flourished, So Did Workers. At Amazon, It’s Mo... by boomboomsubban on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @09:21AM (#18292132)
I think I typed parental and went "no, the other one" and changed it to paternal. My mistake.
Re:When Sears Flourished, So Did Workers. At Amazon, It’s Mo... by leesalminen on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @09:31AM (#18292207)
No worries! Just wanted to note for anyone else that comes across this that mother’s also go unpaid for leave in the US. Sad state of affairs. I just got back from South America and folks were shocked when we talked about US labor laws.
Re:When Sears Flourished, So Did Workers. At Amazon, It’s Mo... by CydeWeys on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @08:04AM (#18291655)
The US places last in worker protections among all developed nations on a number of axes, including this one :(
Re:When Sears Flourished, So Did Workers. At Amazon, It’s Mo... by anticensor on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @09:35AM (#18292239)
None for private employers. Government is different.
Re:When Sears Flourished, So Did Workers. At Amazon, It’s Mo... by hiram112 on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @07:45AM (#18291529)
No
Re:When Sears Flourished, So Did Workers. At Amazon, It’s Mo... by biocomputation on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @11:47PM (#18289563)
> My total comp this year is upwards of $250k

This attitude is why there's been so much pushback against tech in places like San Francisco and Seattle.