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Re:AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of ... by SEJeff on Monday October 22, 2018 @10:32PM (#18280318)
The Apple and Amazon statements were bulletproof, and would very likely guarantee them shareholder lawsuits if they were in fact falsified. Additionally, the SEC would likely investigate if this did happen (since it would be fraud with harmed investors looking for blood)
Re:AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of ... by will4274 on Monday October 22, 2018 @11:26PM (#18280510)
> Additionally, the SEC would likely investigate if this did happen

The phone companies all denied providing metadata to the NSA when the story first came out. I couldn't find the WaPo article from the same week, which I remembering reading in hardcopy, but here's a cite for the same from NPR: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=540913.... Did the SEC sue Verizon here?

Re:AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of ... by SEJeff on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @08:53AM (#18282909)
Yeah I don't think those are really related. Apple was exceptionally clear that this simply didn't happen. Verizon is very careful about how they word that to say they didn't turn them over to the NSA, while omitting all of the other three letter agencies (DIA, FBI, DOJ, etc).

Compare that with Apple's statement, which is forcefully blunt and has no wiggle room:

    On this we can be very clear: Apple has never found malicious chips, “hardware manipulations” or vulnerabilities purposely planted in any server. Apple never had any contact with the FBI or any other agency about such an incident. We are not aware of any investigation by the FBI, nor are our contacts in law enforcement.
The fact that they then asked Bloomberg to retract the story is also going a step further. The next step would be a libel lawsuit against Bloomberg, but that would be the thermonuclear option.

All of that said, the BMC on supermicro boxes is running a super old unpatched Linux and is absolutely chock full of exploits:

https://www.cvedetails.com/google-search-results.php?q=super...

I had to root one several years ago to fix a broken server we couldn't take out of service for $reasons.

Re:AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of ... by ryanmarsh on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @11:15AM (#18284059)
The next step would be a libel lawsuit against Bloomberg

I'm waiting for the libel lawsuit. The absence of one is something I can't reconcile and leads me to thinking perhaps Apple doesn't want to through the discovery process for such a lawsuit which leads me to wonder why they wouldn't...

Re:AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of ... by SEJeff on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @02:06PM (#18285804)
There aren't really any upsides for a libel lawsuit from Apple tbh, but I guess it just depends on how much Cook wants that retracted. As spiteful as he was, I'd suspect Jobs would have aggressively taken this approach.
Re:AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of ... by nneonneo on Monday October 22, 2018 @11:56PM (#18280614)
Original Verizon statement: https://www.ft.com/content/d70c2ce2-e519-11da-80de-0000779e2...

They're very careful to say that they never turned phone records over to the NSA - who's to say they didn't turn phone records over to the DoJ, FBI, or any other agency, which then bounced them over to the NSA? I think they do have an out here. Plus, I'm not certain the SEC would sue over a matter of national security, even if Verizon was directly lying.