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Re:Ask HN: Why no tags on HN? Is there a 3rd party HN index ... by krapp on Monday October 22, 2018 @08:12PM (#18279741)
There's nothing particularly "exclusive and not inclusive" about Hacker News' UI, it's just a basic forum. If it only offered an API and required users to write their own clients, you might have a point about it filtering out nontechnical users who are willing to deal with a learning curve, but literally anyone who uses the web knows what they need to to use this site - type into a textbox, push a button.

4chan has an equally simplistic layout with arguably more of a learning curve than here, yet its culture doesn't have the qualities you describe.

The inverse correlation you're trying to draw between the simplicity of a site's layout and the intelligence of its userbase appears to be contradicted by lobste.rs, a more deeply technically oriented forum than Hacker News, which uses tags. Also by simply reading most threads here, you'll find little more depth or intellectual insight to them than a similar thread on Reddit might provide.

Re:Ask HN: Why no tags on HN? Is there a 3rd party HN index ... by beatgammit on Monday October 22, 2018 @09:42PM (#18280152)
lobster.rs requires an invite, no? I know it's not hard to get one, but that's an actual step you have to take in order to engage, which keeps the lazy out.

The same thing goes for HN. Why would you go through the effort to make an account for an ugly site when there are better looking options available (Reddit, Facebook, etc)?

Yes, it doesn't have much to do with intelligence, but it certainly drives away many of the people who would otherwise make low-effort submissions. In fact, I wish it were even _more_ barebones (e.g. remove the user points in the corner).

I used to think HN should have more features, but then I used Reddit and came back wanting fewer features. I like how it's simultaneously inclusive (anyone can create an account) and exclusive (somewhat ugly, no memes).

Re:Ask HN: Why no tags on HN? Is there a 3rd party HN index ... by krapp on Monday October 22, 2018 @10:10PM (#18280238)
>Why would you go through the effort to make an account for an ugly site when there are better looking options available (Reddit, Facebook, etc)?

The effort is minimal, and I don't think most people choose whether or not to join a site based on how pretty it is. Just look at Craigslist for instance.

>but it certainly drives away many of the people who would otherwise make low-effort submissions.

I don't think there are actually a lot of people being turned away from Hacker News because of the layout who otherwise might join if it had more features. Remember that the entire pool of potential users for Hacker News includes anyone who even knows that it exists -- this is not a mainstream site and it doesn't have a lot of exposure outside of technical circles. No one browsing the main subreddits or Twitter or Facebook is likely to ever see it even mentioned.

That an "ugly" layout keeps low-effort users away seems to be a common belief and I think it's one espoused by pg, but the claim seems a bit like that made of a tiger repelling rock ... the only "evidence" that it works being the absence of any tigers.

Although... Hacker News has plenty of low-effort submissions, and people who complain about it "turning into Reddit," which was once cited as a "common semi-noob delusion" in the site guidelines, it's such a common occurrence.

Re:Ask HN: Why no tags on HN? Is there a 3rd party HN index ... by qwerty456127 on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @01:49PM (#18285650)
>Why would you go through the effort to make an account for an ugly site when there are better looking options available (Reddit, Facebook, etc)?

IMHO HN looks and feels a way better than Reddit and Facebook is just complete crap.