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Re:The City That Had Too Much Money by sonnyblarney on Sunday October 21, 2018 @01:03PM (#18268882)
Canada generally exports natural resources, and not much else besides assembled cars that we don't design. (We don't have a lot of high valued exports - highlighted by the odd trading relationship Canada has with China: they buy natural resources, and we buy finished goods from them, which is the opposite of most 'wealthy v. upcoming' trading relationships. Of course China overall is wealthy but per capita it's not)

But what Canada does maybe the best in the world is 'boring, stable governance' - which is what so many people want.

If the environmentalists would have it ... and I was King ... I would carve out an area on Vancouver Island and make it basically like Singapore - an open city state, that Canada manages, but basically for expats from anywhere.

Anybody can come, keep their homeland citizenships, and live in a super above bar and stable regime. There'd be a few extra rules here and there, and they wouldn't be citizens - but they'd get what they want.

This way you avoid the massively disruptive socioeconomic issues, and you can actually possibly create industry and a new kind of financial sector, and maybe a few added taxes to boot. Win Win Win all around. All complexities aside, BC residents would protest it to death merely on environmental grounds.

Re:The City That Had Too Much Money by iguy on Sunday October 21, 2018 @03:55PM (#18269811)
"boring, stable governance" as an export industry is a good observation. I think this is true of other places too, for example in London both the top-end property market, and arguably the City, are doing exactly this.

It would be nice if they could figure out how to export this with fewer side effects. I don't quite know whether a city-state Vancouver is the right measure though. What does this solve compared to the status quo? Living in Vancouver is already unaffordable, but other places are not. Would such a setup lower the barriers for Chinese businessmen to buy a flat there very much?

Re:The City That Had Too Much Money by sonnyblarney on Sunday October 21, 2018 @04:48PM (#18270145)
" Would such a setup lower the barriers for Chinese businessmen to buy a flat there very much?"

That's not a concern :)

The issue is to provide 'stable governance' for those who need it, while protecting regular folks from massive inflation due to external factors.

Vancouver's 'regular' (ie non construction) economy is being hurt by this - why? Because nobody can afford to live there on regular salaries. Very few entities would consider opening up an office where the 'prevailing wage' cannot attract people.

Consider the 'cost' for buying property and who gains from it? The arbitrary owner. What if that 'cost' could be transferred by way of taxes, instead of property speculation?

So a 'New Singapore' with land owned by the state and leased out for long periods, and a series of taxes to make sure the surpluses are mostly derived by the state and not property speculation. Surely it'd be expensive to live there, some kind of market function. But a small area could accomodate quite a few people. 90% of these major expenses are real-estate, and I don't mean development, I mean speculation.

So this way - Canada can 'export' stable governance and protect local economies. If ex-pats want to move to Van they can get citizenship etc.. but that would slow down as it should be easier - and probably more convenient - to just move to the a new, well managed city state.

A huge financial services sector would immediately pop up and there'd be tons of jobs there for those who wanted to work in that sector. Major private wealth management funds, with assets under Canadian domain, not PRC. Safe investments, safe place for domicile etc.. Great export :)

Re:The City That Had Too Much Money by iguy on Monday October 22, 2018 @04:03AM (#18272937)
I guess I'm dubious that you can engineer "surpluses are mostly derived by the state" while maintaining the credibility that makes an apartment in Vancouver so attractive in the first place.

Those apartments have secure title, under stable property rights, because they are under the same system as every ordinary Canadian voter's house. That's what protects them: there would be a revolt if you messed with all the ordinary voters.

Would you be as keen to buy an apartment that instead fell under some special laws which are designed to squeeze you, the foreign investor, to the benefit of the voters? I think you'd be pretty worried that next time there's a pension crisis, or an oil crisis, they'll be very tempted to squeeze you a bit harder, and then a bit harder...

I wish there were ways to exploit this export market with less side-effects. There are smaller ones, like Nestle's roaring trade in trustworthy powdered milk. But in general it seems hard.

Re:The City That Had Too Much Money by ttul on Sunday October 21, 2018 @06:15PM (#18270661)
The former Liberal government looked seriously at changing the tax code to attract financial services types from overseas. The idea was to establish BC as a “Singapore of the North”. I wish I had a citation for this - sorry.
Re:The City That Had Too Much Money by oh_sigh on Sunday October 21, 2018 @01:13PM (#18268936)
Paul Romer was supporting a similar idea to this a few years ago, but more as an engine for smaller, less developed countries to attract international talent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Romer#Charter_cities
Re:The City That Had Too Much Money by woolvalley on Sunday October 21, 2018 @01:55PM (#18269184)
So these people in Victoria #2 wouldn't be able to participate in the economy of the rest of Canada? They couldn't start corporations that could buy real estate, sell products and so on? What if they wanted to drive to Victoria #1 and go shopping?
Re:The City That Had Too Much Money by sonnyblarney on Sunday October 21, 2018 @02:08PM (#18269252)
Canada still has a lot of immigrants, if they wanted to be Canadian, they could go that route. But citizenship should be more than 'access to real estate and shopping malls'.

I'd simply make it so that residences (and real estate ownership), and maybe some other things like their financial positions (even like regular current accounts) are within the 'New Singapore' but otherwise they can go where they want and do as they please in Canada without any kind of border or whatever. And try to make a deal with US so that residents also have 'Canadian-like' access to the US, meaning visa free travel etc..

People who wanted to live in Van or Vic could apply for citizenship.

Re:The City That Had Too Much Money by olvo on Sunday October 21, 2018 @03:05PM (#18269553)
> But what Canada does maybe the best in the world is 'boring, stable governance' - which is what so many people want.

Seems like an odd basis for a highly experimental idea.

The reasons they want to go to Canada is, as you say, because it is stable. China, and other parts of the world, is the experiment you are talking about.

Re:The City That Had Too Much Money by olvo on Sunday October 21, 2018 @05:55PM (#18270552)
I forgot to never discuss things that require experiences on HN. A "special economic zone" or "special administrative area" is what is being suggested. Which is ridiculous because that is exactly what people moving to Canada are not choosing. What most people want is the inertia provided by Canadian society. That inertia is also what stops Canada from creating such projects. The Vancouver housing market isn't going to crash without hurting the Canadian economy and as long as you are a citizen you can ride it out. If you are in "district 2" not so much.
Re:The City That Had Too Much Money by sonnyblarney on Sunday October 21, 2018 @07:24PM (#18270964)
" What most people want is the inertia provided by Canadian society"

No - most wealthy people moving to Vancouver could care less about Canada really. They want a stable place to live and park their money - and a nice backup passport if things go crazy back home.

They are not economic migrants, i.e. doctors and engineers looking for jobs - they are business owners parking their families and children and money in Vancouver.

Economic migrants go to Toronto for jobs and opportunity.