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Re:42 percent of new cancer patients lose their life savings by jandrewrogers on Friday October 19, 2018 @06:23PM (#18260539)
It is for the entire population. I personally know people on welfare that received advanced new treatments and survived "terminal" cancer to this day.

The overall cancer survival rate in the US for males is around 67%, which is extremely high even by developed world standards. It wouldn't be possible to have a survival rate that high if a large fraction of the population was excluded from treatment.

Re:42 percent of new cancer patients lose their life savings by davvolun on Friday October 19, 2018 @11:31PM (#18261587)
I responded to another commenter, Simpson's Paradox -- 67% average doesn't mean that I can expect 67%. Healthcare efficacy is correlated with wealth (i.e. cost of healthcare and ability to bear that cost). To get 67%, let's say the top 67% of Americans have a survival rate of 100% and the bottom 33% have 0% survival rate. The average is 67%, but I really hope I'm not in the bottom 33% and get cancer.

I don't know what you think a "large fraction of the population" equates to, but in this theoretical, 33% of the population being guaranteed to die isn't exactly ideal.

Re:42 percent of new cancer patients lose their life savings by Arbitrary4657 on Friday October 19, 2018 @06:40PM (#18260612)
Anecdote != data. Do you have a source for that survival rate?
Re:42 percent of new cancer patients lose their life savings by jandrewrogers on Friday October 19, 2018 @07:27PM (#18260815)
That survival rate came from a study in Lancet Oncology. It is not controversial that the US has exceptionally high cancer survival rates.

This is attributed to two factors: much more testing/screening than in most countries, which detects cancer at earlier and more treatable stages (though at high cost), and most new cancer-related treatments are developed and available in the US first so any resulting reductions in mortality show up in that population first.

As an example, my "anecdote" was cured of terminal cancer by an experimental drug therapy in late trials. Several years later it is FDA approved and becoming available in the rest of the world but at the time the only people receiving that treatment were in the US and it was correlated with a material increase in survival rates for that kind of cancer.

Re:42 percent of new cancer patients lose their life savings by davvolun on Friday October 19, 2018 @11:37PM (#18261618)
What study? Did it break down other factors for survival or are you arguing that the 350 million Americans all have exactly the same chance of surviving cancer?

I don't know why you're quoting "anecdote," you gave a textbook example of anecdotal evidence, which is not data. My uncle Bob survived testicular torsion, therefore all uncle Bobs will survive testicular torsion. How many people in the U.S. with that exact same cancer did not receive that particular experimental drug therapy? Did that one person, or even all the people included in the trial, change the survival rates in America during that time period?