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Re:Anti-Tax Fervor Closed Their Libraries. Now Residents Are... by behringer on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:41PM (#18242248)
The reason America has awful education and healthcare is not due to lack of taxes. It's due to government mismanagement.
Re:Anti-Tax Fervor Closed Their Libraries. Now Residents Are... by omegaworks on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @04:27PM (#18243448)
No, it's due to the fact every school gets the majority of its funding from local property taxes, and America has 200 years of experience packing all the poor people and minorities into districts that white elites don't contribute to.

There is an aversion to investing in society at large because it benefits the poor and black. Even if that investment pays off double, triple, sextuple times what is put in[1]. People value white supremacy higher than even their own safety net[2].

1. https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/12/12/504867570/how-inv...

2. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/americans-welfare-perce...

Re:Anti-Tax Fervor Closed Their Libraries. Now Residents Are... by behringer on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @06:46PM (#18244483)
It's almost as if the government mismanaged this whole affair.
Re:Anti-Tax Fervor Closed Their Libraries. Now Residents Are... by omegaworks on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @06:55PM (#18244527)
You can keep pushing that view, but it is too narrow to be of use whatsoever.

The government here is structured to make public schooling answerable to local concerns and funded by local taxes. It's the barest minimum government you can apply.

Private schooling only amplifies the issues with this system. It has all the same problems, along with not needing to be transparent or accountable to the public.

Re:Anti-Tax Fervor Closed Their Libraries. Now Residents Are... by behringer on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @07:05PM (#18244583)
It isn't too narrow, it's the exact problem. The US has failed to protect the people, it has failed to protect our planet, and it has failed to protect anybody but the rich. The US government is fundamentally flawed.
Re:Anti-Tax Fervor Closed Their Libraries. Now Residents Are... by dorchadas on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @10:55PM (#18245568)
> The US government is fundamentally flawed.

I think part of this stems from how much power the states have, to be honest. There's no overarching system of, say, education that can really be used to hold States accountable for what they teach and appropriation of funds and such. Sure, they're bound by some regulations if they accept federal funding, but it's nowhere near enough. They can choose willy-nilly to just change it up, by stopping the federal funding...which is often a decision made on politics rather than what's good for the kids.

Not to mention that American secondary schools are going through an identity crisis, as I see it.

Re:Anti-Tax Fervor Closed Their Libraries. Now Residents Are... by goliatone on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @11:17PM (#18245647)
Flawed unless you are one of the rich you mention. I think things work rather well for a few and rather terrible for many, the question is how much longer things will keep working so well for the few?
Re:Anti-Tax Fervor Closed Their Libraries. Now Residents Are... by trhway on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @03:01PM (#18242507)
What government do you mean? My understanding is that schools are managed by local boards. You can't get farther from the "government" and closer to people than that.
Re:Anti-Tax Fervor Closed Their Libraries. Now Residents Are... by dragonwriter on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @03:04PM (#18242563)
> My understanding is that schools are managed by local boards.

The local boards often do not have the power to:

(1) Raise revenue that would fund much independently of outside funding,

(2) Freely control how much of funding they do have is spent, because the outside funding sources or superior (e.g., state) law independent of funding sets narrow parameters for many of their decisions.

Re:Anti-Tax Fervor Closed Their Libraries. Now Residents Are... by Rebelgecko on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @03:53PM (#18243090)
For every where I've lived (granted, 4 districts all in California), neither of those were the case.

Districts can raise tens or hundreds of millions of dollars via bonds (requires voter approval but usually passes). They can also pass parcel taxes, which aren't subject to Prop 13 although they can be regressive. Most of their money does still come from the state, but IMO that's not a bad thing, since keeping it more local raises issues with income inequality.

There's very few limits on how they spend their money. I think the only caveat is that districts get extra amounts of ADA money based on the attendance of certain categories of students (e.g. ones that are still learning English). They're supposed to spend that money on relevant programs, and the county has to certify that the spending on those programs lines up with the amount of extra money that is being received.

Re:Anti-Tax Fervor Closed Their Libraries. Now Residents Are... by dantheman on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @03:48PM (#18243033)
The department of education and no child left behind are two federal disasters that have wreaked havoc on public education.
Re:Anti-Tax Fervor Closed Their Libraries. Now Residents Are... by tzs on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @04:16PM (#18243328)
On average, school funding in the US breaks down to about 45% from local, 45% state, and 10% Federal.

Couldn't a state, or a district in a state, opt out of Federal funding and then be free from those Federal programs and policies?

Yes, they would lose 10% of funding, but if Federal policies are the reason our schools spend way more per student with worse results than other OECD countries, then getting out from those policies should let them massively improve even with the reduced budget.

[1] https://www.npr.org/2016/04/18/474256366/why-americas-school...

Re:Anti-Tax Fervor Closed Their Libraries. Now Residents Are... by behringer on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @03:04PM (#18242566)
I don't know of any government that's not mismanaged. Some are just worse than others.
Re:Anti-Tax Fervor Closed Their Libraries. Now Residents Are... by forkandwait on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @03:15PM (#18242674)
The same can be said of private industry. True in my experience.
Re:Anti-Tax Fervor Closed Their Libraries. Now Residents Are... by bpyne on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @04:07PM (#18243238)
Thank you for saying what I was thinking. Anyone who has worked in a multi-billion dollar corporation has experienced mismanagement. I think it has to do with organizations that get beyond a certain size.
Re:Anti-Tax Fervor Closed Their Libraries. Now Residents Are... by forkandwait on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @04:42PM (#18243607)
I think it's just the human condition.
Re:Anti-Tax Fervor Closed Their Libraries. Now Residents Are... by nostrademons on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @04:25PM (#18243431)
Or any individual firm.

You get functional systems through competition, having many choices so that even if one (or 90%) of them are crap, you can go to the one which isn't. There is by definition no competition at any level of government, which is why so many government-managed services are crap. There is also little competition with most big businesses, which is why big businesses are crap. There is plenty of competition among small businesses, which is why you can go to most walkable downtowns and pick a restaurant and it'll be pretty good, or visit most AirBnB hosts and have a decent stay, or look for a favorite YouTube channel and find one that's interesting.

Re:Anti-Tax Fervor Closed Their Libraries. Now Residents Are... by samontar on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @03:12PM (#18242648)
Singapore?
Re:Anti-Tax Fervor Closed Their Libraries. Now Residents Are... by sneak on Saturday October 20, 2018 @07:19AM (#18262741)
FWIW, America has some of the best healthcare in the world. It just sadly also happens to be the most expensive.