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Re:Helm: Personal Email Server by ryan-c on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @11:29AM (#18240010)
It's actually a totally different product vs Sendgrid/Mailgun/etc.

Such a product would need to have a ToS that states it can only be used for low volume personal and business correspondence, and have per-account rate limiting to enforce that. Doing it this way is necessary to avoid having mail treated as bulk.

I've tried relaying through mailgun to get mail to outlook.com, it does not work.

Re:Helm: Personal Email Server by tyre on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @12:47PM (#18240906)
Rate-limiting would be interesting. If the cost of the service was specifically high enough to be unscalable. Like, $10 per month and you can send 200 emails per day. That’s expensive compared to anything else but fine for personal use.
Re:Helm: Personal Email Server by aidenn0 on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @04:42PM (#18243602)
fastmail already is available for $10 per month, so I guess problem solved?
Re:Helm: Personal Email Server by ryan-c on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @06:13PM (#18244302)
Do they handle a send-only smarthost configuration that allows arbitrary from addresses within a domain?
Re:Helm: Personal Email Server by zrail on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @07:51PM (#18244839)
As far as I can tell, yeah.
Re:Helm: Personal Email Server by vonseel on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @10:25PM (#18245441)
Pretty soon email will require stamps, like paper mail. I wonder if they will sell forever stamps?

Jk, I just thought it was funny that we pay for services which were always seen as a free alternative to paper mail and stamps were a thing of the past.

Re:Helm: Personal Email Server by pmontra on Thursday October 18, 2018 @01:11AM (#18246078)
Proof of Work basically was invented to cope with email spam. That's more or less a stamp.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashcash

Re:Helm: Personal Email Server by Fnoord on Thursday October 18, 2018 @05:09AM (#18246977)
If you have a KvK in The Netherlands your PII details are public, and you will start receiving physical spam from companies despite such spam not being free to send. I never receive spam from individuals though; only companies.

On top of that, the costs of electricity are not the same everywhere (they are very expensive in The Netherlands, for example, than in the USA, and China is very cheap). Nor is it widely stable available everywhere (examples include India and Africa). Proof of Work is basically a waste of energy as well.

Re:Helm: Personal Email Server by oliverx0 on Thursday October 18, 2018 @05:15AM (#18246995)
How about https://postmarkapp.com/ ? It is more tailored to "transactional emails", but seems pretty close to what you describe
Re:Helm: Personal Email Server by lytedev on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @09:53PM (#18245332)
But this is exactly what I use mailgun for. The free price point kind of enforces that.

Maybe it's just been so long I'm whitelisted?

Re:Helm: Personal Email Server by vsl on Thursday October 18, 2018 @12:28AM (#18245914)
More likely you actually set it up correctly, with DKIM and stuff, and the parent didn’t.
Re:Helm: Personal Email Server by ryan-c on Thursday October 18, 2018 @12:01PM (#18249420)
I had everything set up correctly, including DMARC. I've been doing this a long, long time.