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Re:Twitter has barred hundreds of accounts for posing as lib... by wpietri on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @09:41AM (#18238808)
I confess this campaign is a puzzlement to me. There are a bunch of people all repeating the same idea as a way of critiquing people they believe are... all repeating the same ideas?
Re:Twitter has barred hundreds of accounts for posing as lib... by michaelflux on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @09:55AM (#18238993)
Originally yes, that was the joke, people just repeating the same buzzwords and catch phrases in response to anything as game NPCs do.

However as with all the memes over the last few days, it quickly turns from that into 'well those people are reacting exactly how we thought they would, just keep posting it if it triggers them'.

e.g. take Pepe - the only reason it caught on was because the left took the bait and lost their shit over it. The only reason this NPC thing took off was because the same people took the bait and are loosing their shit over it. It doesn't matter what the meme is, what it's about, or what it represents. The right keeps making jokes, the left keeps taking the bait, the right sees that and keeps feeding them more and more.

Re:Twitter has barred hundreds of accounts for posing as lib... by anjc on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @09:58AM (#18239022)
> "well those people are reacting exactly how we thought they would"

Almost like NPCs...

Re:Twitter has barred hundreds of accounts for posing as lib... by michaelflux on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @10:04AM (#18239103)
Exactly that.

Right: Hey you guys just keep repeating the same thing.

Left: You're a racist

Left: You're a racist

Left: You're a racist nazi

Left: You're a nazi racist

Left: You're dehumanising us you racist

Right: Well hell, make 5000 more of these if they're getting such a great engagement rate.

Re:Twitter has barred hundreds of accounts for posing as lib... by eyeinthepyramid on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @10:05AM (#18239105)
>take Pepe - the only reason it caught on was because the left took the bait and lost their shit over it.

Pepe was popular way before it was a political meme.. Pepe comes from a book released in 2006, and according to KYM feelsbadman became a meme in 2009.

Re:Twitter has barred hundreds of accounts for posing as lib... by michaelflux on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @10:13AM (#18239203)
I'm referring to it catching on in a political sense and becoming such a major part of the 2016 election cycle while neither the crying Jordan, the spongebob caveman, the sad ben Affleck and all else that was popular at that time didn't.
Re:Twitter has barred hundreds of accounts for posing as lib... by DanAndersen on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @09:45AM (#18238851)
Is it really that hard to understand? At its simplest level, the NPC meme is an extension of "I'm a member of [insert outgroup here], look how dumb I sound" trolling.
Re:Twitter has barred hundreds of accounts for posing as lib... by wpietri on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @09:55AM (#18238995)
I guess? It's so self-invalidating that I'm having trouble seeing the point. Do they understand that they're engaging in the exact behavior they're criticizing? If they do and see it as clever irony, it hasn't come across in the bits I've seen. If they don't then it seems a vigorous self-own.
Re:Twitter has barred hundreds of accounts for posing as lib... by influx on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @10:04AM (#18239094)
I see your point, but what’s weird is Twitter is banning these accounts and the press is freaking out about it. Why not let these npc memers continue to self own? Why interrupt your enemy while he’s making a mistake?
Re:Twitter has barred hundreds of accounts for posing as lib... by wpietri on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:42PM (#18242267)
From Twitter's perspective, meme-makers aren't the enemy. Drama is good for their revenue numbers. Bulk fake accounts are a problem in general, so I'm sure they noticed the spike. But I'd guess the false election information is the honest motivation for the mass ban. People have basically given them and Facebook a mulligan on the 2016 election. But they definitely don't want to be blamed twice an a row for ruining democracy; not only does it make them look careless, but it significantly raises the risks of intemperate regulatory action.
Re:Twitter has barred hundreds of accounts for posing as lib... by WillPostForFood on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @10:37AM (#18239487)
Satire definitionally takes on elements of what is is criticizing. So your question is good, do they understand they're engaging in the same behavior they are criticizing. I think the answer is obviously they do. Just like when SNL does an obnoxious loud rendition of Donald Trump, they know they are being loud and obnoxious. I don't think most people would say SNL self-owns because they are being loud and obnoxious just like Trump - they are clearly mocking him.
Re:Twitter has barred hundreds of accounts for posing as lib... by wpietri on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:49PM (#18242357)
Yes and no. If one person posted a bunch of this stuff in one spot, that would be satire, and the ironic contrast between text and intent would be heightened. But having a lot of people do it diminishes the contrast. Here the mass behavior weakens any satire.

SNL can pull off a loud and obnoxious Trump character, because they show they can work in many other registers. But SNL itself doesn't become indiscriminately loud and obnoxious throughout a whole episode in hopes that people will make some meta-level connection between general obnoxiousness and Trump. And for good reason; a tiresome character in contrast to non-tiresome characters can be good drama. A tiresome show is for most poeple just a tiresome show. There's a reason badfilm like The Room is very much a niche taste.

Re:Twitter has barred hundreds of accounts for posing as lib... by bitlax on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @09:45AM (#18238849)
Wouldn't that be how you would critique that sort of thing? I dont think it's that hard to get.