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Re:Do We Worship Complexity? by tomnipotent on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:56PM (#18233186)
> it serves as more of a shibboleth

Like the word "orthogonal" - always know I'm talking to a techie when that one rears its head.

Re:Do We Worship Complexity? by derefr on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:18PM (#18234138)
I'd say "perpendicular" but that's somehow even more niche, despite being a word everyone learns in high-school geometry.

I guess there just comes a point where you've solved so many optimization problems that it's hard to not think of a bunch of solutions with different attributes as being embedded in an N-dimensional space?

Re:Do We Worship Complexity? by humanrebar on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @09:19PM (#18234783)
That is an orthogonal concern.

Versus

That is an entirely different concern.

The second is more approachable but requires an adverb to have the same meaning, and adverbs are also discouraged. I think orthogonal is fine.

Re:Do We Worship Complexity? by TeMPOraL on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:36AM (#18236651)
Also it does not communicate the precise meaning. "Orthogonal" fits when concerns may be related, but they're independent from one another, so you can discuss them separately.
Re:Do We Worship Complexity? by humanrebar on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @07:09AM (#18237917)
Well, regardless of the adverb, you would need a modifier. Avoiding these technical considerations was part of Orwell's point I think.

So I guess we could nitpick over "entirely" and "basically" just as easily. Maybe he should have just singled out the engineers and other pedants.

Re:Do We Worship Complexity? by TeMPOraL on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:34AM (#18236645)
Perpendicular is a weird word. And also harder to say, at least for foreigners.

I tend to use "mutually independent" instead of "orthogonal" when talking with non-tech people.