Yeah, because the JVM can't do TCO you can't have nice recursion. The options in the language provides are good enough but definitely not the most ergonomic.

I can't remember the last time I wrote a recursive call in Clojure, other than for multi-arity. In general, if I were in a code review and saw the "recur" keyword, I think I would regard it as a code smell and see if I can re-implement it using higher order functions.