Re:What you can't say (2004)
by sheepmullet on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:02AM
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> your argument that women aren't marginalized
No. My argument is that some women have used their privilege to falsely accuse men in the past and that assigning privilege based on social justice groupings is both stupid and immoral.
I literally cannot follow your reasoning at all. I’m the one saying privilege is both relative and context specific.
You seem to be trying to apply some strange kind of privilege averaging?
Some women, although the number is certainly an ongoing debate, make false rape accusations, yes. I'm not sure what you mean by "social justice groupings", but "sometimes people lie" still isn't mutually exclusive with "women, on the whole, are and historically have been a marginalized population". You keep on saying things like they're some sort of gotcha, but you never actually argue against the point you're trying to argue against; you just constantly bring up other points and try to act smug.
Re:What you can't say (2004)
by sheepmullet on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @10:30PM
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> but you never actually argue against the point you're trying to argue against
Ok let’s back up a bit then:
Why exactly, in the context of the metoo movement, is it important to consider that on average women have been historically more marginalized than men?
What does historically lacking the right to vote have to do with the veracity of sexual assault allegations?
You've neatly sidestepped addressing this on the times that I've brought it up, which is why I keep on harping on this point. There are two possible reasons you're doing this: one is that you legitimately didn't realize that marginalization has multiple levels, in which case maybe you should take a moment to think about the history of the world and the various forms oppression has taken, and the other is that you're deliberately making a bad-faith argument. I'd certainly hope you're not arguing in bad faith, because that would be incredibly rude, but I wanted to make sure I called out what you were doing (and failing to do) to make it clear to anybody who wanders by and reads the argument.