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Re:40% of the American middle class face poverty in retireme... by toomuchtodo on Monday October 15, 2018 @12:43AM (#18217430)
Can you provide a citation? The data doesn't agree with your assertion.

"Roughly 40 percent of Americans who are considered middle class (based on their income levels) will fall into poverty or near poverty by the time they reach age 65, according to the study.

The study also concluded that if workers age 50 to 60 decide to retire at age 62, 8.5 million of them are projected to fall below twice the Federal Poverty Level, with retirement incomes below $23,340 for singles and $31,260 for couples. Further, 2.6 million of those 8.5 million downwardly mobile workers and their spouses will have incomes below the poverty level — $11,670 for an individual and $15,730 for a two-person household."

Re:40% of the American middle class face poverty in retireme... by laser on Monday October 15, 2018 @12:48AM (#18217440)
Twice the poverty level sounds pretty comfortable to me. Living on 75% of that in LA right now. The "Further, 2.6 million of those 8.5 million downwardly mobile workers and their spouses will have incomes below the poverty level — $11,670 for an individual and $15,730 for a two-person household." sounds like real poverty, though.
Re:40% of the American middle class face poverty in retireme... by toomuchtodo on Monday October 15, 2018 @12:54AM (#18217458)
> Twice the poverty level sounds pretty comfortable to me. Living on 75% of that in LA right now.

Which is substantially easier in your 20s and 30s than in your 50s and 60s.

Re:40% of the American middle class face poverty in retireme... by chrisseaton on Monday October 15, 2018 @02:22AM (#18217769)
> Which is substantially easier in your 20s and 30s than in your 50s and 60s.

Huh? In your 20s and 30s you’re paying to build your pension, paying for your mortgage, paying for your kids, paying for your student debts.

In your 50s and 60s you’re paying for none of that. What are you paying for at all?

Re:40% of the American middle class face poverty in retireme... by dragonwriter on Monday October 15, 2018 @02:27AM (#18217786)
Except for “student debts” (which isn't all that uncommon, either) it's common for people to be paying for all those things in their 50s and 60s (adult children very often get support from their parents), and it's also quite common for people these days not to have started paying for any of then except retirement (usually not pension, except insofar as social security is a pension) building through their 30s.

It's pretty likely you aren't doing much retirement savings or paying for a mortgage on an income below double the poverty level at any age.

Re:40% of the American middle class face poverty in retireme... by Qworg on Monday October 15, 2018 @02:25AM (#18217781)
Healthcare.
Re:40% of the American middle class face poverty in retireme... by laser on Monday October 15, 2018 @01:04AM (#18217489)
Yeh that's fair, but will more tax create more easiness for people?