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Re:Why Italy Could Be the Epicenter of the Next Financial Cr... by FabHK on Sunday October 14, 2018 @06:01AM (#18212184)
The troika's handling of Greece was despicable, vengeful, irrational, and counterproductive.

> what would have been the alternative?

An early writedown of some debt and extension of other, enabling the economy to return to growth and service the remaining debt.

Re 1.: Pension funds and other institutional investors invest in equity and debt world wide, taking into account risk and return. Sometimes they make mistakes (or even not - sometimes the dice fall badly), and an investment goes sour. That's the market at work. In this case, however, European put massive amounts of money into Greece that were not used to prop up the economy, but to bail out investments by German and French banks. So, basically a transfer from the European tax payer to some banks.

2. It would make imports very expensive, but free up the domestic economy and make it more competitive.

"Optimum currency area" describes what's necessary for a currency union: homogeneity wrt external shocks (not the case in the EU), high factor mobility (limited in the EU, due to language/culture), or internal transfer payments.

In my view, Europe sat down for a nice dinner (10 years ago with the introduction of the Euro) in a restaurant and enjoyed it over a decade (with massive growth financed by cheap debt in many "peripheral" countries), and when the bill came (oops, we need these internal transfers now) - refused to pay. Shameful.

Re:Why Italy Could Be the Epicenter of the Next Financial Cr... by andrepd on Sunday October 14, 2018 @08:17AM (#18212542)
>but to bail out investments by German and French banks. So, basically a transfer from the European tax payer to some banks.

This is what gets me. What is an "investment" after all? Some amount of potential profit with some amount of risk. If the risk just gets eliminated (win: keep the money, lose: taxpayers cover your losses) then what the fuck kind of game are we playing?

I want in too! I want to go to the casino, if I win I keep the money, if I lose people I will pick everyone's pockets until I'm in the green again.

Re:Why Italy Could Be the Epicenter of the Next Financial Cr... by kamaal on Monday October 15, 2018 @04:49AM (#18218292)
If you want to play that kind of the game, you better be friends with the casino boss.

In short, here you better be friends with the politicians, so that you can be bailed every time you need them. That doesn't come for free either, when you are winning you need to share some spoils with them.

Re:Why Italy Could Be the Epicenter of the Next Financial Cr... by mtrovo on Sunday October 14, 2018 @06:49AM (#18212307)
> European put massive amounts of money into Greece that were not used to prop up the economy, but to bail out investments by German and French banks. So, basically a transfer from the European tax payer to some banks.

Could you elaborate a little bit more? I never heard about it before.

Re:Why Italy Could Be the Epicenter of the Next Financial Cr... by FabHK on Monday October 15, 2018 @01:03PM (#18221474)
Another good source, if you want a necessarily subjective, but I think sincere inside view, is the tell-it-all by famed former Greek finance minister Yanis Varoufakis Adults in the Room: My Battle With Europe’s Deep Establishment.

It's a bit technical occasionally, but really riveting and full of drama (unfortunately not fictional).

Re:Why Italy Could Be the Epicenter of the Next Financial Cr... by kome on Sunday October 14, 2018 @06:52AM (#18212314)
https://www.esmt.org/pub/where-did-greek-bailout-money-go

> Could you elaborate a little bit more? I never heard about it before.

Where are you from?

Re:Why Italy Could Be the Epicenter of the Next Financial Cr... by toyg on Sunday October 14, 2018 @07:21AM (#18212389)
No need to be snarky. Most media reporting on that crisis was histerical rhetoric about "lazy Greeks who won't pay their debts" -- a narrative enabled by North-European politicians like Schäuble and Dijsselbloem to cover their actions. A lot of well-meaning people fell into that propaganda trap.
Re:Why Italy Could Be the Epicenter of the Next Financial Cr... by kome on Sunday October 14, 2018 @12:24PM (#18213631)
I wasn't snarky...